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sandbur

06-05-2004 14:33:30




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I am planning on spraying some old alfalfa seeding that is getting thin, was wondering how long I have to wait before it can get reseeded again.




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kyhayman

06-05-2004 20:41:42




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 Re: alfalfa seeding in reply to sandbur, 06-05-2004 14:33:30  
Alfalfa is autotoxic to new seedlings. Some research out of Wisconsin a few years back showing good results with 6 months out but consistant results take a year or more. I try to rotate out a year and a half. Kill it in the fall and drill wheat, take the wheat off for round bale silage (spray again), plant soybeans or grain sorghum for round bale silage, spray, drill wheat. Hit the wheat with a 1/2 rate of Gramoxone and drill alfalfa (1/2 rate just makes the wheat real sick until the alfalfa germinates). Didnt get consistant results with notil until I went with this system (in '95).

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twood

06-06-2004 05:38:58




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 Re: Re: alfalfa seeding in reply to kyhayman, 06-05-2004 20:41:42  
What do you think might happen If I were to take an old field of mixed grass, clover, alfalfa and sprayed it in aug. and notill in timothy.

then bale 1st cutting the following year and notill in alfalfa.

I planted a timothy alfalfa field in aug. 2000 and it has done great, but it was conventional and coming out of corn.

I'm in central Michigan.



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kyhayman

06-06-2004 19:30:14




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 Re: Re: Re: alfalfa seeding in reply to twood, 06-06-2004 05:38:58  
I'm with Paul on this, going the wrong way. You can fairly easily establish a grass in alfalfa (orchard or timothy) by drilling in the fall. At the very least (if you dont want to plant something) the field with the high rate of 2,4-D in the fall and again in the spring to take out the alfalfa, then harvest a crop of grass hay.

I've been in the same boat you are in several times. At $2.50-3.50 a pound you just dont want to have to redo an alfalfa seeding. I'll push some things to plant but the ones I've learned to NEVER push are auto-toxicity and inadequate supression of competition.

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paul

06-06-2004 06:55:34




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 Re: Re: Re: alfalfa seeding in reply to twood, 06-06-2004 05:38:58  
I've read that the alfalfa needs 3 months of good growing-type weather with no alfalfa plants growing before you can replant. The alfalfa will affect any new seed within 2'.

The problem is, killing 100% of the established alfalfa. The stuff hangs around a bit. So most everyone takes it out of alfalfa for a year, might as well use the built up N for corn or a like crop.


As to your question, It's going to be hard to get enough water & sunlight to the alfalfa seedlings to get any type of stand when it has to compete with established timothy. Works fine if you seed both at the same time, but alfalfa does not compete well with established grass. At least 'here', things like this can be different in other climates.

--->Paul

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casey

06-05-2004 17:21:12




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 Re: alfalfa seeding in reply to sandbur, 06-05-2004 14:33:30  
you should really rotate it out for a year to something else. call your local extension office, they have all kinds of great info.



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