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Rick B

06-03-2004 23:03:27




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Started cutting hay yesterday with a 8N Ford and a IH belt drive 3pt 7' sickle mower(model unknown) Had a tough time, need some info. When cuting hay is the skid plate underneath the drive mechanisim(inner end) supposed to rest on the ground as you mow or is it to be slightly off the ground. Ditto question for the rest of the cutter bar. I had a devil of a time keeping the hay from collecting in front of the bar. Was not sure if the forward speed was correct. Seemed to do best when throttle was full in first gear and stone gaurds were angled down slightly and resting on the ground, but it would often hang up that way.I could use a crash course in cutting hay wiht a sickle. Also I may have a linkage problem, seems there is a large spring that is connected to the top link bracket but is not connected to any thing else. Looks like it ought to connect to the lower rear pivot mech. so as to soften and limit the lowering of the bar via three point mech.Any hep greatly appreciated, Thnx Bman

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paul

06-04-2004 06:14:59




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 Re: sickle mower help in reply to Rick B, 06-03-2004 23:03:27  
You really need a manual. Close examination may reveal a searil plate tag, or a picture to your Case dealer should get you a model #.

You need the spring on to hold the weight of the mower. Both skid ends should be lightly touching the ground. Generally most mowers have 2 springs to achive this, one for each end. Without the springs, the skid plates will dig in.

You need to be driving fast enough for the cut hay to fall behind the bar. Generally 1st gear means your mower is way too dull (sickle and/or ledger plates) or you are in damp or very fine-stemmed hay or clover - when dew is out, sickle mowers are parked on grass hay. You need to correct these problems & drive faster.

What type of sickle do you have? Smooth sickle with serated ledger plates works well in grass. Smooth ledger plates & bottom serated sickle works well. Top serated sickle & serated ledger plates can cause hay to hang up & rechop itself over & over, gumming up the works clogging the bar.

Wind over 20 mph can cause a real headache as it blows the hay in front of the bar in one direction.

Downed, driven on, wind-swept, not mowed in years, hay can be an _extreme_ challenge to get a sickle mower through. Likewise short fine grass that was finish mowed for a time & is not very tall will clog up a mower and dew makes that extra worse. They only work well on fairly mature, standing straight & tall, hay.

Very soft peat or muck ground with ruts and usually damp can be a real problem, as plants want to pull out of this soft soil, and the mower wants to dig into it.

Hopefully this helps you zero in on the problem?

75% of the time a new smooth or bottom serated sickle bar clears up the problems. Keep the old one for backup when you break a section & need to finish cutting. I bet much of your problem is the missing spring causing the mower to dig in too deep.

--->Paul

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Rick B

06-04-2004 07:10:42




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 Re: Re: sickle mower help in reply to paul, 06-04-2004 06:14:59  
Ok, that explains some things, as much of the grass had fallen over from rapid growth and heavy thunder storms the previouse month. Thanks for all the advise, will follow accordingly. Bman



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Geo in SD

06-04-2004 05:38:39




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 Re: sickle mower help in reply to Rick B, 06-03-2004 23:03:27  
I like to set the sicklebar so it sets flat or slightly down in front. Just slightly. Also the outer end of the sicklebar should be slightly ahead of 90 degrees to the tractor. Also,if you are cutting in 1st gear, you are going too slow, in my opinion. The hay will fall on the bar, instead of behind it. If I read your post right, yours is a pitmanless mower, Right? If it is anything like my Ford 515, you could mow in 3rd in anything, if the guards and sections are in good shape. You also want to set your inner and outer shoes so the guards are not on the ground, maybe 2 inches above. This will help in plugging on dirt clumps or other obstructions. For a sickle mower to do a good job, it is imperative to have a good sharp sickle and the ledger plates in the guards must be sharp. Like the other posts state, it would be best to aquire a book on the mower to help you set it up properly.

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Farmered

06-04-2004 03:25:19




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 Re: sickle mower help in reply to Rick B, 06-03-2004 23:03:27  
The inner skid shoe should rest lightly on the ground,just heavy enough so it doesn't bounce.The outer end also. It is difficult to tell without seeing the machine but that spring probably has something to do with that adjustment. Check with your Case-IH dealer and he may be able to fix you up with a book for your mower. Make sure that your swath board is functional. That will flip the mown hay from the outside end of the bar in far enough so you aren't trying to cut through it on the next pass. Yhere are a zillion adjustments and conditions that will frustrate you to the breaking point with a sicle mower. Make sure the sections and the ledger plates ane sharp and in register. The hold down clips need to be down as tight as possible without binding. Mouse nests and plastic bags are a complete frustration. Don't get off the tractor with the mower running. Be safe, good luck! Ed

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Dick2

06-04-2004 04:11:52




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 Re: Re: sickle mower help in reply to Farmered, 06-04-2004 03:25:19  
We bought a few mowers at auction. They were so far out of adjustment they couldn't cut anything. Got them adjusted right and they worked great.



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steveormary

06-04-2004 11:13:55




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 Re: Re: Re: sickle mower help in reply to Dick2, 06-04-2004 04:11:52  
Rick B;

Wouldnt running your engine full throttle over speed the pto? Do you have a proof meter on your 8N. That should tell you where to set your throttle for the 540 pto speed.

We used sickle bar mowers on Fords,Fergusons and Farmalls. The tractors with 4 spd. trannys we used 2nd gear and with 5 spd trannys we used 3rd.

And as the others have said make sure the knives and guards are in good condition and the mower is adjusted properly. Hope this helps you some.

steve

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