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chuckcat

05-21-2004 10:26:55

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This may sound like a dumb question but here it is I would like to know what is the best wood to use to build a hay wagon floor and rack
and it would be great to have a list from best to use to worst to use

The amish around here use pine or hemlock but I would think a kicker would break them

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Bill B

05-23-2004 19:56:07

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Re: wood for hay wagon in reply to chuckcat, 05-21-2004 10:26:55

Hi, I have bought a couple of hay wagons and built a couple. I have one that was made from treated yellow pine. The floor is slick as ice when a little hay gets on it. Also I have had serveral 4x4s cross beams brake. The ones I made are rough oak and am very happy with them. Bill

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kyhayman

05-21-2004 19:33:00

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Re: wood for hay wagon in reply to chuckcat, 05-21-2004 10:26:55

I really like hemlock, plenty strong and a lot lighter than oak, my second choice is white oak. Most of my wagons are white oak b/c I cant get 20' long hemlock. I try to box barns in hemlock, my dad built his tobacco barn in 1967 and it has never been painted and every board still solid.

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51 Pony

05-21-2004 17:48:03

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Re: wood for hay wagon in reply to chuckcat, 05-21-2004 10:26:55

chuckcat,
my grandfather used to say that he built the floor out of oak and the rack out of ash. I haven't seen anyone use a wood wagon around here in a while, because all the granpa's that would build them are long gone.

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Mark in MO

05-21-2004 14:26:56

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Re: wood for hay wagon in reply to chuckcat, 05-21-2004 10:26:55

For our tobacco wagons, which are basically the same as hay wagons, I prefer to use CCA treated Yellow Pine. On older, non-treated floors, I have used motor oil and you'd be surprised how fast the wood will absorb the oil. When using motor oil, I try to apply it quite a while before I needed to use the wagon so as to give it lots of time to absorb. I assume that you could use a wood treatment like Thompson's as long as it didn't make the floor slick. For hauling tobacco, painting the floor is just not practical.
Mark Hill
Dearborn,Mo

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bdeerehunter

05-21-2004 13:20:59

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Re: wood for hay wagon in reply to chuckcat, 05-21-2004 10:26:55

I use sawmill (roughcut) oak and instead of painting it,I use a heavy nap paint roller and roll used motor oil on it. I try to put (2) coats on when I can. Hope this helps.

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Shep Va

05-21-2004 13:25:41

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Re: Re: wood for hay wagon in reply to bdeerehunter, 05-21-2004 13:20:59

Yikes, how many loads of hay do you have to put on before you can touch the wagon without turning black??? I imagine it will last forever like that, but seems kinda messy.

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Chris Brown

05-21-2004 13:53:34

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Re: Re: Re: wood for hay wagon in reply to Shep Va, 05-21-2004 13:25:41

Nope, I do the same with used oil and it is dry fairly quickly.I mop it on and let it sit out in the sun for a few days. I would.nt sit on it with white pants butclimbing on and off,I don't get any on me. Suprisingly theres hardly any that drips off onto the ground, I think my truck leaks more than drips off the wagon. Don't put gear oil on it! I did that on a trailer once and it was sticky all summer. I ended up covering it with saw dust to dry it up.

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Larry NE IL

05-21-2004 20:23:46

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Re: Re: Re: Re: wood for hay wagon in reply to Chris Brown, 05-21-2004 13:53:34

About 20 years ago I started buying rough cut oak for our loboy deck from a one man operation because I liked his work. He's the one that turned me onto oiling the wood. Drys in a hurry and outlasts untreated at least 2 to 1.

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bdeerehunter

05-21-2004 13:47:20

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Re: Re: Re: wood for hay wagon in reply to Shep Va, 05-21-2004 13:25:41

No It dosent turn your hand or any thing else black like one would think. The wood soaks it up and (for the lack of a better word) "dries" up in a very short time.

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TP from Central PA

05-22-2004 07:50:05

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Re: Re: Re: Re: wood for hay wagon in reply to bdeerehunter, 05-21-2004 13:47:20

Amen boys! I "Soak" wood with oil often around here..... ....Forage Wagons(Old Wood Gehls), Hay racks, and I even put new wood floors in our farm trucks and I coated them. The wood soaks it right up and protects it like crazy. I coat is every so often when I have a undercoating gun out to coat machinery with oil(Yeah, I do that too). Sure alot easier and less of a hassle than paint IMO.

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Shep Va

05-21-2004 12:22:08

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Re: wood for hay wagon in reply to chuckcat, 05-21-2004 10:26:55

I would seriously consider getting a metal rack wagon if you are doing much baling. We have had both, and I can tell you they are very close on price for either and the metal ones outlast the wooden ones several times over. We we always replacing bolts and broken boards and they would lean one way and then the other and then the middle would belly out. The steel ones are a lot stronger and if you keep them in the shed they last forever. They do lose some bolts but not like the wooden ones do.

Ours were made of rough cut oak and we painted them every 3 years or so and they always stayed in the shed. We only have one wooden wagon left and it is a little 14 foot rack wagon and we really dont use it for hay anymore, in fact it has about 4 foot of ear corn in the bed right now, and the racks are loose and need bolts right now.....

There are some pictures of our Pequea hay wagons on my site under the farm pictures, if you want to look, they also have pressure treated pine floors in them, and so far they have lasted well.

Shep's World

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Kerwin

05-21-2004 11:32:49

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Re: wood for hay wagon in reply to chuckcat, 05-21-2004 10:26:55

I've got two wagons with metal throw racks, and both have a deck made out of treated 2 x 6's run lengthwise (16' long). To support the deck, 4 x 4's are used as cross supports, and these sit on two 4 x 6 main beams. Hope this helps.

The wooden throw racks I see in my area appear to be made of 1 x 4's and 2 x 4's; most likely out of pine. Unfortunately, they are also usually leaning at an angle.

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nebraska cowman

05-21-2004 10:37:32

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Re: wood for hay wagon in reply to chuckcat, 05-21-2004 10:26:55

pine is stronger than hemlock and will last as long as anything. use at least 4 quarter thickness.

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Tim(nj)

05-21-2004 12:37:59

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Re: Re: wood for hay wagon in reply to nebraska cowman, 05-21-2004 10:37:32

Yellow pine. I've seen some wagons made with cheap white pine. Not a good choice. There is a shop over in Pennsylvania that makes steel thrower wagons with treated oak(!) floors that are pricey, but they will last a long time outside, and forever if kept inside.

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