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#5 John Deere sickle Bar

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Ken Bohannon

05-15-2004 06:19:00

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I have some questions and know nothing but learning about farm equipment. Got a tractor recently and some implements with the all inclusive "needs a little work". OK, got past that but am up to getting this sickle mower or bar going, which is it called? Now the question is what determines if this is a 3 point unit or a not 3 point unit, what and or why is the purpose of a draw bar? Can I just connect each side of the bar to my lift links on my 2N or must I connect a draw bar? Which will require making 1 for the tractor I assume? correct? This sickle has a trailing wheel on it, If this is a 3 point unit then that would also mean I must make a top link also I assume? Does the PTO control the lifting and dropping of the blades along with making them cut? Thanks in advance for any help guys.

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Kelly C- Another thing.

05-16-2004 19:59:12

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Re: #5 John Deere sickle Bar in reply to Ken Bohannon, 05-15-2004 06:19:00

One thing you may want to do on that #5. Remove the cutter bar and replace the last sickle section with a dubble section. Actually they are a section and a half.
With a single section on the end. I was having to stop every other round to un plug the end of the bar, in grass. With the extended section the end never plugged once. Fleet Farm had them here. Also try to buy JD rock gards. I know they cost alot more but the cheap ones leave a gap between the section on the gard. Hard to get a nice clean cut with a 16th of a inch gap. I know you are suppose to be able to hammer them to clear the gap but I hammed till my arm went numb and never closed the gap.
JD sells the oil seals for like 3 bucks. They also have the wear pads, but may be cheaper to buy a used #5 as a parts machine. I paid $45 for the outer wear pad last year. But hey JD still had them. Not bad for a 40 year old mower.

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Dave H (MI)

05-17-2004 13:50:39

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Re: Re: #5 John Deere sickle Bar in reply to Kelly C- Another thing., 05-16-2004 19:59:12

That sure is purty! I could paint mine up like that but it wouldn't last long. I am thinking of putting some paint on them just to keep the rust at bay. Did you do the lettering on those? I'd be interested to know if you made your stencil or bought it somewhere?

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Kelly C

05-17-2004 15:16:05

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Re: Re: Re: #5 John Deere sickle Bar in reply to Dave H (MI), 05-17-2004 13:50:39

Just genaric JD decale from fleet Farm. $10 for 2.

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Bus Driver

05-16-2004 08:19:16

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Re: #5 John Deere sickle Bar in reply to Ken Bohannon, 05-15-2004 06:19:00

The manual for a #5 would help a lot, shows hookups for lots of different tractors. Usually the #5 clamps to some fixed bar on the tractor and the lift system is used to raise and lower the sickle bar within a limited range. Mine is used on M JD and the drawbar on the tractor locks in place, the mower clamps on the drawbar, and one of the lift chains raises and lowers the bar. The lift system cannot raise the sickle cutter bar to a vertical position on the #5 and the cutter bar will not run in the vertical position.

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Kelly C

05-15-2004 18:50:24

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Re: #5 John Deere sickle Bar in reply to Ken Bohannon, 05-15-2004 06:19:00

Like Dave said. The #5 is a great mower. I have 2 of them. You can hook them to a 3 pt no problem. Just put a couple cat 1 pins on the mower. You dont need a top link as the #5 has the caster wheel. Just raise the lift arm till the front oof the mower is about 15 from the ground and go.
Thats the easy part. The mower is designed in a way that on alot of tractors you need to attach it in a offset.
The inner shoe needs to run just out side the right rear tire to work right. On my Farmall H. When I hard mount the mower. It over hangs the right side of my draw bar to get it out side the right rear wheel.
To see if you can use on a 3pt. Measure from the center of the mower to just inside the inner shoe.
Then mesure from your pto shaft to the out side of your right rear tire. If that mesurement is smaller you can use it. If not the all you would be doing is plugging up the mower every 15 secounds of mowing and drive you crazzy.

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Ken Bohannon

05-16-2004 05:25:48

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Re: Re: #5 John Deere sickle Bar in reply to Kelly C, 05-15-2004 18:50:24

Thats what I needed to know basically, I got it going yesterday, and as I started out I must have move the lift control, Ihad made a PTO shaft for it and at the mower end I used a CV joint from a car, when it started to lift I thought that joint was going to tear the hell out of the rubber boot but I got it down in time, then I hit some really tall thick grass and ended up busting the wooden rod that moves the blades. I guess I will use a square 2X2 to replace it. I think a steel part would be too heavy and if ti locked up it might tear up the gear box. Is the arm manually operated to raise and lower the sickle? I don't see any way that it can raise or lower? I played with the levers but didn't really see anything happen. BTW, this is evidently a fixed mount type I guess. I sure appreciate the help, money is tight so I have to work with what I have. I am hoping that maybe this thing will generate some income for me. Any way thanks.

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Dave H (MI)

05-16-2004 07:44:09

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Re: Re: Re: #5 John Deere sickle Bar in reply to Ken Bohannon, 05-16-2004 05:25:48

Ken-You can buy the pitman arm at TSC for a pretty reasonable cost. Your average pine or fir 2x2 probably won't cut it, but if you are handy and have access to some woods you can make one. Some #5's did have metal pitmans but I have never seen one. Yours was probably starting to rot along the bottom edge. Most of these mowers sink into the dirt when stored and the pitman rides on the ground. I have modified like Kelly said so that I could use my smaller (newer) tractor to pull the mower in tight places, but I do not like the way the mower handles when modified to three point. I have always believed that you can put yourself in harms way by not using equipment the way it was designed, so be careful if you DO play with it. Are you anywhere near Michigan? I could use another 5 mower as a back-up this spring. You could use the money to by a three point model and save yourself a lot of aggravation. Just a thought. And for heavens sake, I understand money is tight but go on ebay and drop $10-15 bucks on a manual!

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Ken Bohannon

05-16-2004 09:43:29

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Re: Re: Re: Re: #5 John Deere sickle Bar in reply to Dave H (MI), 05-16-2004 07:44:09

I think montana is a long way from michigan, I doubt you could buy one here for under a 100.00. I was talking to a guy yesterday and asked him about any in that range, he just laughed and shook his head.

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Dave H (MI)

05-16-2004 14:47:45

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: #5 John Deere sickle Bar in reply to Ken Bohannon, 05-16-2004 09:43:29

Oh sure you can. I get a real kick out of these people who make statements like that. I bought my first one for $35 in mid-Michigan and my second for $60 in northern Ohio. Both at auctions and both in the last year. Both are good operational mowers. I know that there are regional differences in prices but PLEASE! Just out of curiosity, how much did your buddy tell you the mower was worth? My turn to shake my head and have a chuckle!

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Ken Bohannon

05-16-2004 17:11:03

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: #5 John Deere sickle Bar in reply to Dave H (MI), 05-16-2004 14:47:45

we weren't talking about mine, it's not for sale, my dad gave it to me, I was talking to a farmer down at the local convenience store, and we were talking about what you had said. Sickle mowers are not an item that people cut loose up here. I 't know if it is economy, heirloom, drought or what.

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Alex Rogers

05-16-2004 15:00:39

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: #5 John Deere sickle Bar in reply to Dave H (MI), 05-16-2004 14:47:45

I have a No. 5 and it has served me well since we pulled it out of the weeds 15 years ago. I am thinking of refurbishing it, and would like to know where I can get the mounts for a hydraulic cylinder and the lower oil seal for the gear box. Since you all bring up the mower, do you know where I can get these parts?

Thank you,
Alex Rogers

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Dave H (MI)

05-15-2004 06:59:54

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Re: #5 John Deere sickle Bar in reply to Ken Bohannon, 05-15-2004 06:19:00

Ken-The JD #5 is a semi-mounted mower that bolts to the back of virtually any tractor via the use of various brackets or other configurations which are all outlined in the back of the manual (easily available on ebay or direct from JD). You will hear a lot of people tell you that they have converted these to 3 pt, but I have seen this and even given it a try and you will have to take my word for it...it isn't worth the trouble. There are VERY similar mowers out there which were MADE to hook up to 3 pt and I would recommend you trade to one of them. You can buy a really nice JD #5 for less than $100 but modifications and such can add up to a lot extra. I think you will be a lot happier in the long run if you either mount the #5 to your drawbar or find a higher number mower with 3 pt. I still use the #5 mower to cut hay and have two in the back right now. I like them a lot and know them pretty well. Watch your fingers when you raise the bar as the knife will slip and don't skimp on the grease (REALLY!).

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