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Field chemicals-How dangerous to me?

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Mike

05-06-2004 15:59:18




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Went to the feedstore this past weekend and bought 1 1/2 gals. of generic roundup.The guy at the feedstore had it in bulk and put it in an extra jug he had laying around.The guy spilled the stuff all over his hands pouring it into the jug.I told the guy that i thought this stuff was dangerous to get on your skin.He said "ahhhh been doin it for years,just wash my hands when i'm done."Also a friend of mine uses Atrazine on his fields and occasionally gets some on his hands.He doesn't seem very concerned either.I guess occasional contact with these herbicides,although not recommended, must be O.K.provided you wash off real good shortly after. Any thoughts? Mike

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JustRight

05-08-2004 16:47:36




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 Re: Field chemicals-How dangerous to me? in reply to Mike, 05-06-2004 15:59:18  
I'm an organic farmer. I believe any chemical is bad for a human. When rats and mice stay away from GMO product it ought to tell us something.
I'd ask the elevator employee what chemical the local mortician uses and if he just ignores good health practices, too.
MY 2 cents.



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Tim(nj)

05-08-2004 18:13:18




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 Re: Re: Field chemicals-How dangerous to me? in reply to JustRight, 05-08-2004 16:47:36  
The rats got into my corn cribs this year. Crib #1 was GMO, #2 wasn't. They did equal damage to both cribs. Mice got into a couple bags RR soybean seed that were left over from last year. They had a good old time in there. So I don't believe what you claim about rodents not going after GMO products.



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thurlow

05-08-2004 17:31:21




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 Re: Re: Field chemicals-How dangerous to me? in reply to JustRight, 05-08-2004 16:47:36  
I admit to knowing very little about "organic farmng"; are you saying that there are NO chemicals in the products you produce??? "ANY CHEMICAL" is bad for a human??? I'm an uneducated, semi-literate life-time (conventional) dirt farmer; some things you just have to take on faith, but to believe that ANY CHEMICAL is bad for a human is beyond me.....



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riverbend

05-08-2004 19:49:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Field chemicals-How dangerous to me? in reply to thurlow, 05-08-2004 17:31:21  
In a nutshell, organic farming is farming without any synthetic chemicals. None. But mostly it is like conventional farming. Some nights you go to bed feeling like you have been beat all over with a tire iron, and get up in the morning raring to give 'er again.

Depending on how old you are, it is similar to what your Dad or Grandpa did. You can still make a living on less than 3000 acres, but it is not easy. Imagine farming for ten years without any chemicals and getting better yeilds every year (unless it doesn't rain on your beans in August). Imagine $5 corn and $15 beans are normal.

On a related note, the UofM found that an organic rotation with corn, beans, oats/alfalfa was more profitable than a 2 year conventional corn/bean rotation. And I believe that was without any organic premiums.

I'm not sure about the no chemicals for humans 'though. A couple of beers taste pretty good after working all day.

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Hal

05-07-2004 15:08:00




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 Re: Field chemicals-How dangerous to me? in reply to Mike, 05-06-2004 15:59:18  
You have to go by what the label says. If it says to wear gloves and not get on skin then that is what you should do. Label can say either CAUTION, WARNING or DANGER, increasing from least to most dangerous. Roundup/glyphosate is relatively safe, it (name-brand Roundup) had a CAUTION label for years. Then they added an adjuvant/spreader to the mix and it had a WARNING label for a while. Now I think it is back to CAUTION, they reformulated it again. There is no relationship to whether it is herbicide, insecticide or fungicide and how dangerous it is, they all can be more or less dangerous or safe. You wouldn't want to swallow paraguat, and Lasso is a known carcinogen. Dipel is an insecticide that is hardly dangerous at all.
You must read and follow the label.

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ShepFL

05-07-2004 06:49:18




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 Re: Field chemicals-How dangerous to me? in reply to Mike, 05-06-2004 15:59:18  
Paul hit the nail square on the head. Depending on the type of herbicide/insecticide they have varying effects. Personal reaction is based on your phisiology. Some folks are allergic to bee sting while others are not.

Below is the FLA RUP webpage that has lots of info you can read up on. I just got my RUP license this yr and got notice this week the CEU requirement has gone up an additional 8 hrs. Will be looking for some more classes after harvest time.

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riverbend

05-06-2004 19:42:26




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 Re: Field chemicals-How dangerous to me? in reply to Mike, 05-06-2004 15:59:18  
Roundup is supposed to be one of the safer chemicals for humans, although our neighbor spent a few days in the hospital after inhaling some. Combinations of chemicals can be hard on pregnant women and kids.



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David Wilcox

05-06-2004 19:11:24




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 Re: Field chemicals-How dangerous to me? in reply to Mike, 05-06-2004 15:59:18  
I used to be a commercial applicator in the 90's Had my gall bladder out about 98 Doctor asked me after he did the job, Did you ever work around chemicals ?? I sprayed pursuit from a $75000 machine and it still irritated my throat must have been just me cause it never bothered my partner.



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thurlow

05-06-2004 19:05:11




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 Re: Field chemicals-How dangerous to me? in reply to Mike, 05-06-2004 15:59:18  
Paul is exactly right (of course); if you've been around "here" for a while, you know who (whom??) to believe.....the body of your post addressed herbicides, but your title said "field chemicals"; when you get into insecticides, it is (or can be) a whole 'nother world. Most farmers either know of or....have heard of someone who died while on the way to get help, after splashing (or inhaling) some of the bad stuff on them. If the dealer follows the rules (and I can't imagine them not doing so; don't know what the penalties are), then you can't just walk in off the street and buy methyl parathion or one of the other chemicals that will make you dead instantly..... ..

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paul

05-06-2004 17:09:11




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 Re: Field chemicals-How dangerous to me? in reply to Mike, 05-06-2004 15:59:18  
Some are bad, but you generally need a licence to buy those.

Most of the regular ones they sell to everyone & anyone has about the same harmful numbers as gasoline.

So, how do you handle gasoline? We shouldn't inhale the vapors, and contact with skin is bad for you..... Did you ever spill any when refueling the lawnmower? Did you ever spill enough gas to make a brown spot on the lawn? We should be handling gasoline & weed spary labeled 'caution' the same way, as they are about equally harmful.

Technically, it's not good for you. How excited & reactionary need we be about it?

Everyone's personal call I guess.

I wear rubber gloves (90% of the time) & eye shielding when I handle the concentrated stuff. I don't wear my contacts the days I spray. But then I don't panic if I contact some either.

But, each product is different, be ware of the really bad ones. Some absorb through the skin & put you out right quick.

I'm glad I don't handle the stuff every single day - they - some, not all - can build up in your system over time from smaller exposures. Also glad I don't work in a gasoline refinery plant either. Doesn't bother me to go to the fertilizer plant to get fertilizer - but I don't think I could work there every day & inhale that caustic stuff!

--->Paul

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