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Vermeer 605F--Paul and others

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Skybow

04-26-2004 09:21:08




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Just bought me a 605F. Has wide belts that are about 85%. Several new bearings by the dealer and new chains. I'm very happy with it. As I have never baled before do you have any suggestions. I have 20 AC OF alfalfa and 8 ac of timothy/brome for my horses. I'll be doing about 50 ac for various neighbors too. 1-what is your technique for tying after you make a bale?
2-sisal or poly?
3-Big windrows and slow speeds?
4-any other 605f suggestions would be appreciated.

Skybow

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R. John Johnson

04-26-2004 20:02:58




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 Re: Vermeer 605F--Paul and others in reply to Skybow, 04-26-2004 09:21:08  
Lots of good advise already.

I bale with a super F and have a F for a backup baler. The pickup on the Super F has 6 bars instead of 4 on the F which improves bale starting. They both have the narrow 4" belts in the middle. If I don't start the bale on both sides right away, hay will get behind the belt on the empty side and the bale will form there. Makes a big mess.

If the bale doesn't start and hay is sitting in front of the starting roller, don't try to add more hay to get it to start. It just means you will have more hay to pull out by hand. I always have a pair of gloves in the tractor because no matter how careful I am I seem to plug at least once a day. ALWAYS turn the PTO OFF when you leave the tractor seat to unplug.

The Cutter mount on the Super F had a tab that the F did not have. This kept the twine from rolling off the end of the twine cutting knife. I checked the parts book and the part mumbers were identical, PN 185-001. Vermeer must have made a design change. The new design works much better. Check the bushings on the lower part of the twine arm and the nylon bushings on the top pivots of the twine tube and the twine arm. Any slop and the cutter arm will not pivot up properly at the end of the stroke and fail to cut the twine. If you have this new style part, the bushings are good and the twine tension is set correctly you should have no trouble cutting twine.

Keep a spare 1-1/2 spherical bearing around. The bearings on the starting roller and the lower front roller will fail over time. They are not hard to change, but you will probably have to cut the race off after a bearing failure.

Good luck!

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tom

04-26-2004 15:02:39




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 Re: Vermeer 605F--Paul and others in reply to Skybow, 04-26-2004 09:21:08  
stop the pto to even look in the bailer if there is a problm it mite look easy but dont reach in



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JOE E-TX

04-26-2004 14:25:27




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 Re: Vermeer 605F--Paul and others in reply to Skybow, 04-26-2004 09:21:08  
sorry this will be as things come to me .on tie tube i paint with orange utility line paint,can see with dusty glasses or tractor window.i tie 5-6 wapes at ends and 3 raps 5-6 inch across middle( i count to thirty on ends and 12 in middle raps) .i use sisal both of my fs does not like to cut poly (i dont like twine cutter).i only fill baler to 5.5,dont like to over fill i think is hard on belts and bearings. make sure bale tension hyd. cylinder works 1500-2000 lbs.if you have gathering wheels big wind rows (i have ford 6600 tractor i start bale in 3rd get 1.5 ft then shift to 4th)big wind row feeds all the way across pick up reel making more square bales.before turning turning off pto slow tractor rpm s this makes less strain on bearings-belts and chains.call vermeer thay will send operators manual.have safe fun, start slow learn sounds and feel of pulling baler in no time you will be baling up to 15 bales in hour.this my way with my equipment,yours will be diffrent joe

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paul

04-26-2004 14:24:57




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 Re: Vermeer 605F--Paul and others in reply to Skybow, 04-26-2004 09:21:08  
Start real slow when you start a bale. That's the trick on a slightly older round baler. After that drive as fast as it can handle - slower makes a tighter bale, faster gets you done faster. Alfalfa is easy, grass hay will once in a long while burp as you start a bale. :) Also as you start the bale, weave so hay gets all the way across. Vermeer has manuals, get one.

As the manual says, you either want a windrow around 4.5' wide, or 2.5 feet or less wide. The middle of the bale will fill up & the ends won't otherwise, and you end up with a wooden barrel shaped bale, loose ends on the bale. Those 3-4' wide windrows are tough to make a good bale with.

My tying arm pressure valve doesn't work so well & the knife doesn't cut & the twine clamp doesn't clamp & I haven't bothered to fix any of that, so I just kinda run the arm manually by feathering my hyds - put the arm down to the right, then bring it back slowly so it wraps every 3" or so like they say. You can use more or less twine, whatever suits your fancy.

Plastic twine is hated by everyone when it gets into the cattle or the fields, but if you store outside you have to almost, as sisal rots off too fast. If you are selling hay or storing inside, then find out if your customers want the bale to hold up well or if they want the twine to go away. Here in my part of Minnesota, 'everyone' prefers sisal on square bales, and plastic on rounds.

I would suggest you start with smaller windrows, you will very quickly learn what works for you & what you want. Difficult to make windrows smaller, easier to make them bigger. The thing will gulp down a pretty big windrow if it's dry, but it's easier to learn if you're on the small side... The best, and it happens very very rarely here in humid MN, is when I can bale behind the moco that is 9' wide & I set to make a 4.5' windrow of alfalfa. Drive as fast as the pickup goes, and don't need to weave much.

--->Paul

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thurlow

04-26-2004 11:27:36




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 Re: Vermeer 605F--Paul and others in reply to Skybow, 04-26-2004 09:21:08  
1. Run the twine all the way over to the right of the bale; let it slowly feed back across....one wrap about every 3 inches.
2. sisal.....have fed as high as 100 bales per week; no time to remove poly and it NEVER rots
3. big windrows; FAST SPEED
4. ENJOY
5. everyone who's ever run one will have some different ideas.....



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JMS/MN

04-26-2004 12:39:34




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 Re: Re: Vermeer 605F--Paul and others in reply to thurlow, 04-26-2004 11:27:36  
thurlow- you feed up to 100 bales per week? HOLY COW!!!!! When you get that Tridirectional Dominatrix hooked up to the 605 baler, they must both really smoke to keep up with the feed demand. You must be running triples on the rear, and double-cranked the pump? How many PT10s does it take to keep ahead of you?



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thurlow

04-26-2004 14:48:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Vermeer 605F--Paul and others in reply to JMS/MN, 04-26-2004 12:39:34  
Used to feed that many; cut my herd (cow/calf operation and also backgrounding some yearlings) by about 3/4 in January 2002. Pull the baler with an old 4430 quad-range; mowers are Tarrup disc mower/flail conditoner, NH 489 mower conditioner and 670??? (whatever the older 9 ft JD disc mower is); rake is 10 wheel Dura-bilt or .....somekind of ????bilt. CRS is active today; equipment models don't come readily to mind..... ..

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JMS/MN

04-26-2004 17:25:43




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Vermeer 605F--Paul and others in reply to thurlow, 04-26-2004 14:48:25  
CRS sounds familiar, but I can't remember what that means. Must have the same condition! Will post later if I remember why!



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