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DWB

04-25-2004 14:39:01




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Looking for advice regaurding purchase of a round bailer 4X4 size. What are the advantage/ disadvantages of a hard core and soft core. Some of the models I,ve seen for sale in my area are Hesston 540, Internatial 8430 which I think might be the same as the hesston, New Holland 630, J.D. 330 and 335,and a New Idea 483, does anyone have experiance with any of these models? Looking for simplicity, ease of maintanence. Or are there any other models that I should look out for or stay away from. I also have limited horse-power and hydraulics. I,ve heard the term open throat/closed throat what does that refer to and also how much of a advantage is a hydraulic tensioner vrs a spring tensioner. Sorry for so many qestions I just want to make sure I,ll get the right machine for the job, up to now we have been using a old MF square bailer that works well but have been thinking of updating, the Mrs is getting tired of riding the wagon around. Thanks very much for any help/advice

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tom

04-26-2004 14:46:38




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 Re: round bailer question in reply to DWB, 04-25-2004 14:39:01  
all good advice not mouch left to say i had a 630 nh new rolled 7500 rolles in 3 years had a little truble at first i got mad and take a hammer to it not what i like to do and sawoff theend of one wend gard it would hock the twin arm witch sher the pin i went biger 644 made more money seling and custom baleing 4x4 rolles thay rott bad if left out a50 horse tractor is best for tite bails with 630 i sold the bailer for 2000.00 less than i payed new i still like the old 846 and 847 chain bailers but ther a lot slower and wore out hope you good luck and stop the pto to even looke in the bailer

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paul

04-26-2004 07:45:19




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 Re: round bailer question in reply to DWB, 04-25-2004 14:39:01  
You want open throat - closed is forcing the hay through too rolls right after the pickup, and makes starting the bale very difficult, and any damp clumps like to wrap.

Hyd tensioning is better.

Hard core belt balers are generally better, tho soft core has a few advatages as mentioned by others if you can store those soft bales indoors.

You prefer not having a giant bottom belt....

If there are any Vermeer balers in your area, starting with the 'F' series they are good machines as well.

--->Paul

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Adam B.

04-25-2004 20:30:18




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 Re: round bailer question in reply to DWB, 04-25-2004 14:39:01  
I've been away from 'em a while, but we had the same questions when round balers were first becoming popular. We used John Deere round balers for years before we switched to large square bales. After the switch, we tried making baleage (wrapping the round bales in plastic to make a silage-type product) and got a Claas baler with Roto-Cut and net wrap. The experiences with those balers were completely opposite.

The JD balers with their variable chamber/belt configuration made very tight, solid bales with more crop packed in. The bales could sit on the edge for a long time, and wouldn't lose their shape. We stacked them on end (flopped onto their flat side) and covered them with tarps, put 'em in barns, or in a pole building. Come winter, they could still be easily rolled off a truck or trailer when we delivered them.

The Claas baler was a fixed chamber design, with heavy steel rolls making up the chamber. The Roto-Cut consisted of some serrated blades that could be raised and lowered through the bottom of the feeder, and a rotating shaft with tines or fingers (I guess you'd call them that) that pushed the crop through the cutters and into the chamber. The crop tumbles around in the fixed chamber until it finally gets enough in there to start rolling, resulting in that soft core bale. It was especially soft when the Roto-Cut was used. Either way (cut or uncut) the bales would start to squat right after they left the baler. By the time it came to deliver the bales, they were like big sacks of loose hay (even the uncut, unwrapped bales) that couldn't be rolled easily, if at all. At that point, they had to be unloaded by machine, or (in our case) dumped off a truck with a hoist. I've heard some guys claim the soft core bales may cure better if there were some tough spots in the hay when it was baled. Maybe less chance of hot spots or moldy patches. I can't say for sure myself.

Given our experience, I'd want the solid bale if we were going round again. The net wrap on the Claas baler was nicer than the twine we had on the JD balers. The net wraps the bale much faster than twine. Our dairy customers liked that the net wrap stayed together during removal, so they didn't have to worry about stray lengths of twine in their hay/straw. You may have to weigh the cost of the net vs. that convenience.

We rented a New Holland belt round baler once for a couple days when our own baler was down (brand new, off the lot) and found it lacking. It made nice bales, but it seemed to be a bit light in construction. The drive shear pin was tiny, and about two dozen broke by the time we'd done about 10 acres of dry hay. Sorry, I don't recall the model. Maybe it just needed to wear some more paint off the parts and get loosened up a bit. We weren't impressed, even though NH hay equipment has been used on the farm for years.

I'd suggest John Deere, or maybe New Holland. We did like our JD round balers (had a 430 and a 435)quite a bit.

If there's a standard or optional bale kicker involved -- a spring-assisted mechanism that kicks back after the gate is opened, so you don't have to pull ahead to clear the bale before closing the gate again -- be careful. If you have hilly ground, you may not want the bale kicker, or might at least want the option of disabling it. We had a kicker with the 435, and round bales can really get moving when they're kicked out on a slope.

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JMS/MN

04-25-2004 19:56:10




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 Re: round bailer question in reply to DWB, 04-25-2004 14:39:01  
Closed throat is generally an older baler, open throat starts a bale easier, can be used with cornstalks (harder to start a bale). Soft core is a fixed chamber, means the baler, when closed after dumping a bale, has a constant diameter, and makes a bale with a soft center:not wrapped tight, ie can breathe so you can bale wetter hay, and the bale might weigh less. Hard core is a baler with belts that come out of their 'storage' position to wrap a bale with about the same density throughout= a more solid bale. I have a soft core baler (New Idea 456) which I can use on first cutting hay- generally wetter and harder to dry. Hard core balers work fine on second and third cutting and make a nice solid bale when the hay can dry more naturally. Both have advantages and disadvantages. One thing farmers learned after big balers came out is that hay still needs to be dry before baling. Early balers were touted as the solution to wet hay- not true. Hay still needs to be dry to keep well. Soft core, when used too wet- the bales will slump while they dry.

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