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What size barn for square bales

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Vern

04-13-2004 19:48:49




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What size barn do I need to store five thousand square bales? Thinking of getting a NH bale wagon and I think that it needs to be fourteen feet high,but what width to stack maybe 3 stacks wide. I am trying to figure out how many square feet. The bales will be 14+18 and 36 inches long. Thanks




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kyhayman

04-14-2004 17:50:30




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 Re: What size barn for square bales in reply to Vern, 04-13-2004 19:48:49  
I stack with a NH 1034 (105 bales) each dump is 3 bales wide (I run 38" length), 5 runs long, and 7 bales high).

In a 28'X72'X 13.5' 3 sided shed with 5 bents dumping from the side I can put 2000 bales (4 dumps in each shed).

In another barn, dumping long wise (36x60X13.5 on the low points) I net 2 dumps per 12'x12' bent (200 bales). Barn has 15 of these bents so it holds right at 3000.

I only net 99 bales per load. With 1 tie tier and the top tier set to 2 wide I usually dont have to get out and use stack poles.

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Matt K

04-14-2004 07:33:28




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 Re: What size barn for square bales in reply to Vern, 04-13-2004 19:48:49  
If I remember correctly 36" is about the minimum length for a NH bale wagon. I'd suggest lengthening your bales out a bit.

You don't mention what size balewagon you are considering, but with a 105 bale wagon (and 14x18x40 bales) you're looking at 5*14"=70", and 3*40=120", for an area of 58 sq ft per stack. Figure 5' at each building wall, and 1' between each stack. Three stacks wide with area between and on each side would be 42' wide and and 6' front to back, for a total of 250 sq ft containing 312 bales (104 x 3). You will also require a "bulkhead" to support the start of the stack. This is made using bales from the top of the first load, and we'll figure 200 sq ft for it. So, to fit 5000 bales you'd need 312/250 = 5000/x, solving for x = 4006 sq ft, plus 200 sq ft for the bulkhead, is 4206 sq ft, so we'll assume 4250 sq ft, since the stacks wont be perfectly tight front to back (the bottom usually pulls out slightly when dumping).

So for a 105 bale wagon you're looking at a building 42' x 100', as long as one end is completely open. If you have a door to go through, then you need to account for the length of the tractor and bale wagon. If you are comfortable with getting closer to the walls you could probably get by with a 40' x 100' building.

For a 56 bale wagon if you went 3 stacks wide you'd be looking at a width of 32' (5' on each side wall, 1' between stacks, 80" wide stacks), and at least 4800 sq ft for 5000 bales. Again, this would assume that at least one end is open. A 32'x150' building would be 4800 sq ft.

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Del

04-14-2004 06:00:59




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 Re: What size barn for square bales in reply to Vern, 04-13-2004 19:48:49  
I agree. I can't remember the last time I've heard a farmer say "I've built to big of a building". You also may want to leave space between different crops of hay. 1st cuting,2nd cutting, mixed grass, timothy, rained on,etc. I knew a man who used to grade his hay as he baled by changing twine colors. He would even spray paint across the end of the twine bales so a different color would show up on the string when he went to get it out of the barn.

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Flurette Farm

04-14-2004 05:43:36




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 Re: What size barn for square bales in reply to Vern, 04-13-2004 19:48:49  
Dug is mathmatically correct but Dick is right. Having used a bale wagon for some time I can tell you that you will lose a lot of space. I would guess that you had better allow a minimum of 2" for length, width & height. That is for EACH bale. Make sure that your height estimate is correct depending on the wagon you use as the tilt up height of your side rails on some wagons is pretty high. The front bales may also exceed the height of the side rails. Good luck..... ....

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Flurette Farm

04-14-2004 05:42:01




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 Re: What size barn for square bales in reply to Vern, 04-13-2004 19:48:49  
Dug is mathmatically correct but Dick is right. Having used a bale wagon for some time I can tell you that you will lose a lot of space. I would guess that you had better allow a minimum of 2" for length, width & height. That is for EACH bale. Make sure that your height estimate is correct depending on the wagon you use as the tilt up height of your side rails on some wagons is pretty high. The front bales may also exceed the height of the side rails. Good luck..... ....

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Dug

04-13-2004 20:08:12




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 Re: What size barn for square bales in reply to Vern, 04-13-2004 19:48:49  
Vern,

Assuming 14 inches wide, 36 inches long, each bale will consume 3.48 square feet for a total of 17,400 if you don't stack your bales.

Obviously you will stack, so the question is how high? If you stack 10 bales high (10 bales times 18" = 15 foot in height), divide the 17,400 by 10 for total square footage needed of 1,740.

9 bales high would require 1,934 square feet and 7 bales high would require 2,486 square feet.

All square footage is assuming tight stacks with no gaps and no walkways.

Hope this helps,

Dug

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Dick Davis

04-14-2004 04:53:41




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 Re: Re: What size barn for square bales in reply to Dug, 04-13-2004 20:08:12  
Vern, Dug has provided the information from a mathametical perspective. He is correct. Now from an old man's perspective, like Ben Rumstun says in "Paint Your Wagon," I'll double it!" Every farm building ever built should have been a little bit bigger. My nickel Dick Davis



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Dug

04-14-2004 19:37:34




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 Re: Re: Re: What size barn for square bales in reply to Dick Davis, 04-14-2004 04:53:41  
Dick,

Well said. Seems like I always plan to build just the right size, then all my stuff won't fit! Probably should do the math then multiply by two (or three).

Have a good day,

Dug



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