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John

04-12-2004 13:18:43




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Which is better a 3pt or a pulltype?, talking 2 bottom plow here.




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Hugh MacKay

04-14-2004 03:23:57




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 Re: plow-3pt-vs-pulltype in reply to John, 04-12-2004 13:18:43  
John: Your question on which plow has more to do with the tractor than the plow. If your tractor has a good factory 3 point with draft control, the mounted plow will work fine. Remember you also have a time frame from the time 3 point was first developed until about the mid 1960's that draft controled hitches weren't all that great. Even Ferguson the developer of the 3 point didn't have everything just right. I will admit Ford and Ferguson were doing better than the others.

As near as I can see in the US you guys have plow days, where a bunch of guys all plow on the same strike out. Here in Canada we have competition plowing where each guy has his own square of land he must strike out plow and finish off. Each plowman is judged on such things as neatness, uniformity of furrows, evenness of head lands, how he starts and finishes off. They have modern as well as antique classes. 3 point plows are winning in the modern classes. In the antique classes however you rarely ever see a 3 point plow. I would almost say no one has ever won the antique classes with a 3 point or fast hitch plow. The cut off on antique classes is somewhere in the 40 year range. The various competitions have slghtly different rules on age.

On plow clearence you can get 3 point plows with just as much clearence as trailers. I will admit a lot of the old trailers out there have a lot more clearence than old 3 point plows. That is more a reflection of who was using what than availability. 40 years ago guys plowing down stover and the like were using 2 to 5 plow row crop tractors, whereas grassland or sod farmers were using the Fords and Fergies, with 3 points.

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Leroy

04-15-2004 19:01:10




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 Re: Re: plow-3pt-vs-pulltype in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-14-2004 03:23:57  
We have the plowing contest here the same as you mentioned and we also have the plow days as well, they are just a few guys getting together for fun only while the contest is for the best plowman, plow days no mater how good you are just the fellowship and the others will help you if you are having problems, a lot of times will try some one else's unit to se how it works



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Hugh MacKay

04-16-2004 02:05:20




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 Re: Re: Re: plow-3pt-vs-pulltype in reply to Leroy, 04-15-2004 19:01:10  
Leroy: I see those plow days while I admit there have been few around here, they are not near as common as they should be. I may also have a distorted view of this as I am in a hotbed on competition plowman right here.



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Jeff

04-12-2004 18:49:34




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 Re: plow-3pt-vs-pulltype in reply to John, 04-12-2004 13:18:43  
If your plowing for fun with an old tractor, go for the trailer plows. If set up right, they do a beautiful and even job, plus they are fun to use. If you're plowing to get the job done as fast as you can (or if you have an old Ford) go with a 3-point. Those old Fords are great with a 3-point two bottom plow, but will struggle with a one bottom trailer plow. If your working in small fields or on the side hill go with a 3-point. With a 3-point plow, you can lift it up, back into a corner, and plow your way out. Its hard to back up some trailer plows and impossible to back up others. They will also creep downhill on the steep slopes. In my opinion, 3-point plows are superior to the old trailer plows, but there is something to be said for turning a furrow with my 1928 Farmall, and 2 bottom Little Genius plow. I grew up using an 8N and a Dearborn plow, and they can be a lot of fun too.

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Ken

04-13-2004 00:44:59




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 Re: Re: plow-3pt-vs-pulltype in reply to Jeff, 04-12-2004 18:49:34  
I like to use both. I have a Farmall H and a Little Genius 2 bottom that I like to use in large fields and a Ford 2N with a Dearborn 2 bottom mounted for small patches. I do tend to favor the pull type over the mounted but it depends on how I feel the day I plow. I do how ever like the mounted since there is less actions to take at the end of the row. Just pull the lever up and make the turn rather than pull the rope will maintaing RPM and praying that the cams do there job to lift the plow up unless you have the luxury of hydraulic plow. If you get the chance try both and see what you like better. I enjoy both whether its for work or fun. Enjoy.

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Indydirtfarmer

04-12-2004 16:43:54




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 Re: plow-3pt-vs-pulltype in reply to John, 04-12-2004 13:18:43  
What is best? That's a tough question. The three point hitch was the single greatest developement in tractor history. The "standardizing" of equipment. The ease of hooking up impliments. The list goes on and on. Pull type plows have been around for a long time. They were developed to a greater degree, when 3 pt. came along. Some of the first 3 point stuff wasn't the greatest in design. That changed as time wore on. "Mounted plows" were the trick in terms of 2, 3, and even 4 bottom plows, as the 50's and 60's went on by. By the 70's, more BIG tractors were being used. Semi-mounted plows became the "standard". Plow developement has stalled, as the use of them has dropped to almost nill. (In terms of large-scale farming useage) I have several 3 point hitch plows. My personal favorites are the model 101 Ford, and the model 82 Massey Ferguson. They have ample clearance, strong frames, and compact design. Their relative ease of use makes me very hesitant to hook up to a pull-type plow. I guess that everyone has their favorite. Make mine 3 point hitch. John

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gene

04-12-2004 16:25:42




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 Re: plow-3pt-vs-pulltype in reply to John, 04-12-2004 13:18:43  
here is what i have noticed i host a plowday every fall an have attended many other plowdays over the years, the three point will work ok if there is not alot of trash. they will plug easy since there is not the clearance that i pulltype have. i always use a pull type since i dont like to have to stop an unplug all the time.
there is usually more clearance between the bottoms, an more above the bottoms on the pull type allowing the trash to flow through instead of getting stuck.
just what i have noticed. johndeeregene

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Richard Fazio

04-13-2004 15:35:30




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 Re: Re: plow-3pt-vs-pulltype in reply to gene, 04-12-2004 16:25:42  
Gene, Where are you located? I would like to go to a plow day. I only have a few acres cleared on my place. I have a farmall M and I'm looking to get a pull behind 3 bottom. I'm in central NY.



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JD-Tractor

04-14-2004 11:11:25




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 Re: Re: Re: plow-3pt-vs-pulltype in reply to Richard Fazio, 04-13-2004 15:35:30  
Richard if you see this post ,contact me we have several plow days coming up here in Western NY (Buffalo, Rochester area )or drop me an e-mail



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Richard Fazio

04-17-2004 06:56:19




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: plow-3pt-vs-pulltype in reply to JD-Tractor, 04-14-2004 11:11:25  
JD, I emailed you and replied here. Let me know when and where your plow days are and maybe I can make it.



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old

04-12-2004 14:52:27




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 Re: plow-3pt-vs-pulltype in reply to John, 04-12-2004 13:18:43  
I prefer 3 point over pulll but I do use both at times, the 3 point I believe works better because if you start to spin you can lift it up and get better tracktion and also harder to get stuck with



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Tim(nj)

04-12-2004 14:09:25




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 Re: plow-3pt-vs-pulltype in reply to John, 04-12-2004 13:18:43  
depends on what tractor you're pulling it with. A tractor with a high HP to weight ratio, like Ford N series or Ferguson TO series, will do better with a 3-point plow because that's what they were designed to pull. They need to use the "suck" (aka draft) of the plow down on the hitch to gain traction. Trailer plows work best with heavier tractors like Farmall H, JD A, Oliver 66 that were originally designed with straight drawbars.

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