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HY_Moose

04-12-2004 07:29:45




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Hay all you hay experts... I had a cousin tell me that I should not feed canary grass to horses. This is a first for me. I am going to plant some in some low ground and was wondering if I should sell it all or can I feed it. I know that fescue is not good for bred mares but not canary grass. Any info is greatly appreciated. Moose




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Jerry/MT

04-14-2004 18:47:35




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 Re: Cannary grass in reply to HY_Moose, 04-12-2004 07:29:45  
The only way I know of to use reed canary grass is to graze it when it's young. It becomes unpalitable went it gets tall in early summer and most animals won't touch it. But if they're starving, they'll probably clean it up.



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ET

04-13-2004 11:21:19




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 Re: Cannary grass in reply to HY_Moose, 04-12-2004 07:29:45  
Timothy will grow low ground. Back in the 60's my dad planted cannary grass in the low spots to use for beding now it has taken over many of the medows complety. When you spread manure with reeds cnnary grass bedding guess where the seeds go. I have also heard that the older varietys have prusic acid in them when the grass is small like sudan grass. The new varietys are not suposed to have the acid problem. I could never figure out how you could cut it when its early when its tender when the wet ground it was planted on didn't dry up till the middle of july.

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Big Jim

04-12-2004 10:45:20




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 Re: Cannary grass in reply to HY_Moose, 04-12-2004 07:29:45  
I have lots of canary grass and I can sure tell you for a fact that it is the worst crap on god's green earth. It is only edible if baled early (real early) and even then any animal you can name will eat anything else before canary grass. The only good use for canary grass is bedding. If you have any... burn it, dig it, spray it. Do whatever you can to get rid of it!



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kyhayman

04-12-2004 10:17:41




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 Re: Cannary grass in reply to HY_Moose, 04-12-2004 07:29:45  
It's not a question of 'cant' its a question of 'wont'. It is very coarse and horses dont relish it. It will eat a snowball, but.....

As far as 'cant's' (or shouldn'ts) for inside or outside horses: any of the sorghums, some of the millets, and fescue/rye to pregnant or lactating mares. Inside horses have a few more 'dietary restrictions', mostly related to clovers and slaframine (the micotoxin present in legumes infected with Rhizotonia leguminacola), as well as molds and dusts in hay.

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HY_Moose

04-13-2004 10:35:05




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 Re: Re: Cannary grass in reply to kyhayman, 04-12-2004 10:17:41  
Ok Then if I have bottom ground or low wet ground what do I plant that won't drown out. Alfalfa dies at the first hint of dampness, clover is not good for horses and if not dried just so turns black and I can't get a dime for it. Orchard grass is supposed to be a good choice but what about timothy or kentucky blue grass? In this area (mid Illinois) Alfalfa either freezez out in the winter or drowns out or is taken over by weeds. I have baled a lot of alflafa as a kid and I may plant some this year but it better be on slightly slopping well drained ground.

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thurlow

04-13-2004 11:18:23




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 Re: Re: Re: Cannary grass in reply to HY_Moose, 04-13-2004 10:35:05  
There are a couple of new varieties of Canary Grass that are much more palatable.....check with your local CO-OP or extension service.



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Chuck / Michigan

04-14-2004 13:52:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Cannary grass in reply to thurlow, 04-13-2004 11:18:23  
I seeded some Palaton (?) Reed Canary grass six or eight yrs. ago on some low ground / muck. It is one of the newer low-alkaloid Canary grasses. Bought seed from Corland Seed in Ontario. Didn't do much first year but came on nicely 2nd. I like to cut it for cow hay in late spring/early summer(my beef cows prefer this hay to snow balls in winter, I don't give them much option). Given a choice my cows will pass on grazing CG. However, at times when nothing else is available they readily graze it (i.e. CG is for hard times, don't expect 'em to graze it when the good stuff is in season). For late autumn or winter grazing, the summer grown CG stands very well. With a little decent hay supplementation, cows prefer to graze the standing CG "hay" in the snow, rather than hang out in a dry lot all day waiting on the morning's hay ration. Another option for wetter ground, with similar but less extreme drawbacks than CG is endophyte-free fescue. I seeded some from Barenbrug 'bout 8 or 9 yrs. ago. Cows protest in May-June, so cut that growth for hay. In dry August or September, the fescue is the only green in site & again the cows much prefer it to dirt. Am getting more ground ready for fescue now. All this experience is with "low-value" beef cows, no dairy or horses.

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Josh

04-12-2004 07:39:10




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 Re: Cannary grass in reply to HY_Moose, 04-12-2004 07:29:45  
There are a lot of myths about what you can't feed horses. Ours have eaten canary grass before. That said, canary grass makes a nice looking hay, but in my experience animals dont like to eat it.



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