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JD 513 Rotary cutter problem (help)

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J chipps

04-09-2004 20:51:18




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Hi,

Today purchased a "used" JD 513 rotary cutter from a JD dealer for 675.00. It looks to be in excellent shape. Got it home and hooked it up to my 2040.
As soon as I engaged the PTO and let out the clutch, it sheared the shear bolt. (not sure if it had the correct bolt in it or not)

I stuck another bolt in it and tried it again. As soon as I let the clutch out, it sheared again !

I gave up and hooked to my old dull & rusty WOODS, and did some mowing.

Later, trying to figure out what was wrong, I read through the 513 manual and it does state that when starting the cutter to do so very slowly and at very low RPM to prevent premature shearing.

Are the 513's shear bolts really that touchy ! Or am I doing something wrong ?

Also, what advantage does the "slip clutch" drive shaft have ove the shear bolt type ? (I read about them in the manual, but it didn't really explain anything)

Can I purchase the slip clutch type drive shaft for mine ? If so how much do they cost ?

I'm having second thoughts about buying it now, but doubt that they will take it back since it was a "used" piece.

I've had the Woods for quite a few years and put it through some "terribly rough" use and never had any problems or any shearing of anything.

I just don't want to be screwing with shear bolts breaking all the time if that's how these 513's are designed.

Any info and advice much apreciated !

Thanks,

J. Chipps

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motrack

04-10-2004 19:42:09




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 Re: JD 513 Rotary cutter problem (help) in reply to J chipps, 04-09-2004 20:51:18  
sounds as if the holes in the shaft that the shear bolt go into and worn.

how does the bolt fit the holes, tight? loose? are the holes oval instead of being round?



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Scott KY

04-10-2004 16:43:16




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 Re: JD 513 Rotary cutter problem (help) in reply to J chipps, 04-09-2004 20:51:18  
Get a slip clutch if it is available. A previous post said they are a pain. That is not true. Just loosen the bolts in the clutch before use and engage the PTO. That will unstick the clutches. Tighten the bolts back to specs and you are ready to mow. Woods is making clutches now that are not supposed to stick. Shear bolt drives are alot more trouble.



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hay

04-10-2004 03:40:05




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 Re: JD 513 Rotary cutter problem (help) in reply to J chipps, 04-09-2004 20:51:18  
the bolt should NOT shear that easy. my bush hog take a real beating and rarely do i have to replace the shear bolt. i think you might have some binding in the gear case. check to make sure that oil is of correct viscosity and that nothing is binding the stump jumper or the blades. as far as slip clutchs, i would not get one because they have a nasty habit of locking up after non use ( like in the winter) and they have to be released and readjusted and sometime it is a PITA to do. shear bolts are much more convienent.

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JMS/MN

04-09-2004 21:38:52




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 Re: JD 513 Rotary cutter problem (help) in reply to J chipps, 04-09-2004 20:51:18  
It is generally advisable to have your engine at idle or at most 1/4 open when starting a pto load.Check that the shear bolts are the proper grade, and tight. Loose bolts shear easier. A slip clutch would eliminate the shear bolt problem, but should be set only tight enough to carry a normal load.



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Norm

04-10-2004 09:33:34




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 Re: Re: JD 513 Rotary cutter problem (help) in reply to JMS/MN, 04-09-2004 21:38:52  
Can you turn the driveshaft by hand? If not you have excessive binding in the gearbox/blades, etc.



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j chipps

04-10-2004 22:07:43




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 Re: Re: Re: JD 513 Rotary cutter problem (help) in reply to Norm, 04-10-2004 09:33:34  
Hey, thanks everyone, for all the information.

I called the dealer this morning and told them about the problem. At first they were trying to come up with solutions as to why it would be shearing pins etc.

I just told them that I didn't want the headaches of the shear pin problem and that I'd like to return it for credit toward some other items that I was going to purchase anyway such as new tire chains, oil, filters etc...

They readily agreed, so I took it back. Reading these post and all the great information you all gave, helped me tremendously in my desision. (sounds like the only good way to run a 513 is with the slip clutch set-up.

I read a post on another site that said that JD knows about the problem with the 513's and the premature shearing of the bolts. They have some suggestions for curing it, one of which is to install a slip clutch drive shaft.

Oh well, I think for now I'll just stick with my old Woods M5 cutter. It needs some paint and maybe some new blades, but it works like a champ !

Anyway, thanks again.

J. chipps

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