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Ron in AR

04-08-2004 10:25:56




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I have a question about doing some possible irrigating. I have one field that is about 70 acres that dries out to the point of burn-out around mid-summer most years. The only field I have this problem with. There are two good size ponds about evenly spaced on the property. What would be the easiest/cheapest way for me irrigate from these ponds? I would only need to do this for about 6 weeks out of the year. I don't want to get into anything to labor intensive, because I'll most likely be doing this alone. Think economy. Thanks in advance people! (posted this in the Crop talk section also, hoping for lots of good ideas!)

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Ron in AR

04-09-2004 05:46:41




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 Re: Question about irrigation in reply to Ron in AR, 04-08-2004 10:25:56  
Okay, this is why I love this site. Ask a question and you will get lots of answers. Unfortunately, after reading all these responses, I can see that my two little ponds would not be up to the task. Too bad, thought I had a solution. Just have to hope for Ma Nature to take care of it. Thanks for all the info gang. Really appreciate it.



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EngineerJoyce

04-09-2004 07:22:53




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 Re: Re: Question about irrigation in reply to Ron in AR, 04-09-2004 05:46:41  
Ron,
Never under-estimate the benefits of your local Conservation District / Natural Resources Conservation Service office. They provide just such technical advice for free. And they've got the accumulated knowledge from when they were created in the Dust Bowl Days - their work helped to stop the Dust Bowl. If you are in an irrigation area, they have PLENTY of expertise that is local, and can even do a site inspection for a thorough analysis. Again, all FREE.

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Burrhead

04-09-2004 17:47:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Question about irrigation in reply to EngineerJoyce, 04-09-2004 07:22:53  
He may still be in luck if them are good spring fed ponds.

It might be worth a try to start pumping them ponds and see if the water level drops. I have one 35-40 acre hay patch I keep watered out of a 4" cased X 35'deep well and a trash pump with waterlines out just far enough to make the water run in ditches to the low spots.

It don't put out an abundant water supply but it makes good hay just fine thru July and August.

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Mark

04-08-2004 16:59:27




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 Re: Question about irrigation in reply to Ron in AR, 04-08-2004 10:25:56  
How big are those ponds?To put an inch on over 70 acres takes 1,900,150 gallons of water. This is putting on 1" per week,(27,145 gal/acre x70 acres)times 6 weeks=over 11,000,000 gallons of water which is 35acre/ft of water. This equates to approximately a 7 acre pond 6' deep pumped dry.



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KURT (mi)

04-08-2004 16:26:49




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 Re: Question about irrigation in reply to Ron in AR, 04-08-2004 10:25:56  
Just a thought on the amount of water needed. If you have 70 acres to water then those ponds need to have enough water and check to make sure you can pump water out of them. If the ponds are yours then I would do it without contacting the government, because you could say hey look guys a fire could start because of the dry conditions- bla-bla-bla, and they might agree with you, if they ask what your doing.

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Mark

04-08-2004 16:16:50




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 Re: Question about irrigation in reply to Ron in AR, 04-08-2004 10:25:56  
You better check with the county agent or Water Resourses,you may not be able to pump those ponds down due to the myriad of federal,state and county water regulations. I would do some checking first,before tying up $4-5000 in pumps and hoses and a coupler of travelers or a linear that you won't be able to use.It's going to take alot of water to put an inch over 70 acres once a week,I would check the capacity of those ponds and how they are fed also.

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mj

04-08-2004 15:14:08




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 Re: Question about irrigation in reply to Ron in AR, 04-08-2004 10:25:56  
Any chance that the field in question is at a lower elevation than your pond.....or even slightly higher?



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Nebraska Cowman

04-08-2004 11:01:07




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 Re: Question about irrigation in reply to Ron in AR, 04-08-2004 10:25:56  
how about a tractor operated pump and aluminum sprinkler line. Lots of work to move the line daily but it will give your wife and kids an excuse to be with you. The other option would be to set up one of those big traveling guns.



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Ron in AR

04-08-2004 11:25:50




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 Re: Re: Question about irrigation in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 04-08-2004 11:01:07  
Doubt any of my "kids" would want to travel the 1200 miles to help me each day. They all live Eastward. I'm the only one of my family that lives here in Arkansas. As far as the "wife" goes, she has her own work to do (we both work as caretakers and have lots of work to do around the three ranches). Like I said, would be doing this on my own. The traveling guns idea is probably along the lines of what I'll be going with, but am wondering about the initial expense.

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Ol Chief

04-08-2004 21:14:08




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 Re: Re: Re: Question about irrigation in reply to Ron in AR, 04-08-2004 11:25:50  
Ron; I can tell you a bit about the traveling gun business ,thou Im sure others can tell you more.I have 306 acres ,previously a rice farm.Two wells 20 inch dia. Both 1000 ft deep w/250 HP deep well pumps-1500 gpm. Presently defunct since a geologic survey survey dynamite charge was set off nearby destroyed the screens at bottom. Repair estimate -$42,000 each.The farm had about 1-1/2 miles of irrigation canals and I added 1.500 feet in order to service directly a 50 acre hay field.At that time we were in our forth year of drouth.I purchased a fine trailer mounted reel with 1106 feet of 3 inch plastic hose and a water cannon.Sprinkle radius is 122 feet either side of cannon.Also bought 1,000 ft. of new, four inch aluminum quick connect pipe.I had the good fortune be given 250 ft. of used 2-1/2" fire hose and found a fine engine driven emergency fire pump 300 gpm @150 psi.Only paid $800.00 for that. The entire system worked like a charm. The cannon is pulled out by tractor to full length of hose.Water is started to the reel and a water turbine rewinds the hose and shuts down the whole rig when the cannon reaches home.My suggestion is to think only used equipment if you are going to use a reel.I invested approx.$21,000. The pipe cost $ 4.50 per foot new. Used pipe in my area of Texas goes for around $.75 per foot.I have seen good reels in this area sold for around $ 5,000.You might find a good pump reasonable but you will need 145 gpm at about 90 to 100 psi if you get a large reel.I would be glad to answer more questions if you are interested call me at home 1-830 997-8296 Regards, John Cooney

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