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Bale Wagons or Automated loading

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JM

04-06-2004 22:59:41




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Ok, how does the stacking work with an automated bale wagon, you get several tiers of neatly stacked square bales, how high do these go? 5 or 6 tiers? What is the best way to move if you want to stack higher(in the barn)? Are bale accumulators along with a loader that can pick up these accumulated bales more manuverable than a bale wagon load? Just trying to figure out the logistics, so you have a full bale wagon and are far from the barn, do you have to make a run and come back to the field or drop it and use a loader to place on other wagons or flatbed? Thanks for the thoughts on this.

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Dean Minnesota

04-10-2004 16:06:02




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 Re: Bale Wagons or Automated loading in reply to JM, 04-06-2004 22:59:41  
If I had the time and money, I think I would experiment with buying an old self propelled combind, cutting most of the junk off, mounting a baler on the front, with something similar to New Hollands bale wagon mounted right behind, but the actual wagon would be similar to a roll on roll off dumpster and go off the back end of the combind. There would be a lot of things to hobknob together to make work thats for sure. Hopefully you could pull the wagon down the road without too much changing around such as a detachable tongue. Another unit would be need it to unload it at the other end.

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Dawbee

04-09-2004 17:13:15




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 Re: Bale Wagons or Automated loading in reply to JM, 04-06-2004 22:59:41  
Self propelled balewagon. Grabber mounted on a forklift, stack hay 18' high. Just my wife and myself and we do 20,000 bales a year. Plus I work 50 hours a week in the city. You do not want the problems that come with a accumulator.



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Rick

04-08-2004 19:15:41




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 Re: Bale Wagons or Automated loading in reply to JM, 04-06-2004 22:59:41  
JM; This was hashed before and to me it still comes down to each ones situation. I looked at the bale wagons but were to big for buildings and they need to really be level,disadvantage for me was to far for only little over hundred bales to load. I use accumulator/grapple system. Can stack to the shed rafters,also in tighter buildings etc. I also take 264 bales to each load. They are all 28ft long and have old semi tarps on all. I load and tarp hay is usually sold right off trailers.We never touch a bale as we load customers also with grapple or they load themselves. As for not being able to keep baling if accumulator breaks down,no thats not big deal.Just pull two pins its off baler and I put edger on baler and just use grapple go down windrow of bales and pick up. Every tenth bale put group on trailer. This works for me.

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Matt K

04-08-2004 09:50:08




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 Re: Bale Wagons or Automated loading in reply to JM, 04-06-2004 22:59:41  
When we started out putting up hay we had an accumulator setup, which caused more headaches than it solved. If the accumulator was broke down, you couldn't bale either, since it was attached to the baler. Eventually we got a New Holland bale wagon (55 bale). They are pretty complicated, and take some adjusting to get them to work right, but once they are set they are slick. As for traveling any distance, our neighbor had a self-propelled bale wagon. They are $$$ but will do 60 mph on the hiway and haul 165 bales. We also had a "fork" built that was similar to the Farmhand 8-pack fork, except this fork was designed to pick a tier of bales stacked by the bale wagon. We used the fork for taking bales back out of the stack to load on trucks, but it would work good to stack higher than the bale wagon will stack. If you like handling every bale by hand, more power to you, but if you want to take the labor out of haying a bale wagon is the way to go.

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Loren

04-07-2004 20:26:12




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 Re: Bale Wagons or Automated loading in reply to JM, 04-06-2004 22:59:41  
I've been thinking about this problem quite a bit the last couple years. I basically can't count on ANY help. Year before last I did about 8500 bales and loaded, unloaded and stacked in a 10' loft, a full have of them, by myself. I was a mite tired of it when done but dang I like making hay! What I'm thinking of doing is taking my old beat-up ton and a half Ford and build good racks on a dump bed. Hinge the back of it to dump. Hook the bale loader to it and drive until full, back into the barn and dump for another load. This way I can stack in the cool of evening, I have noone to be disapointed in and it'll way speed up what I'm doing now. The only handling to do is when the stacking starts. Loading 65 on a 3/4 ton isn't the good way to go.

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Dean Minnesota

04-07-2004 17:41:38




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 Re: Bale Wagons or Automated loading in reply to JM, 04-06-2004 22:59:41  
I tried a used New Holland Model Bale stacker about 15 years ago. I was baling about 7 miles from home so I tried to stack the bales at the end of the field with the idea of retrieving them later. My stack tipped almost completely over. Things probably work alot better on concrete or really flat ground, but I was sure dissapointed at the time and never used it again.



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acorange

04-07-2004 13:53:19




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 Re: Bale Wagons or Automated loading in reply to JM, 04-06-2004 22:59:41  
Very interesting info on New Holland stackers.
I have seen many of them on my travels out west
but have no experience with them myself. I am also thinking of getting into the hay biz. and have often wondered on the logistics of their use.
I seems like a no brainer to buy one over an
accumolator/loader. But then again what I should do is make my 10 nephews put down the nintendo
joystick and go to work...

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kyhayman

04-07-2004 08:51:34




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 Re: Bale Wagons or Automated loading in reply to JM, 04-06-2004 22:59:41  
Everything David says is correct on the bale wagons, I use a 1034 (105 bales). I normally stack a load of 100 with no tie tier. My dump height is 12.5' clear optimal (13.5' nominal). Width of stack is just under 10' (I need 12' to back in). I dump in old tobacco barns.

The accumulaor/ wagon vs. bale wagon manuvering is really apples and oranges. I was going to have to modify my barns a lot to accept loaded flat wagons, just as easy to go a few more feet for a bale wagon.

I dump in the driveways of the barns and then hand stack the sheds off the bale wagon stacks at night. With an elevator I can go up to 26'. Realistically you arent going to get much more than 10 runs with an accumulator and grapple, any more and you need an extension on your loader. I do use a grapple for handling some of my hay off the bale wagon stacks. For me the real trade off between the two systems was:

I would need at least 4 more 20' flat wagons with an accumulator ($4000), 16 more tires to maintain. Would need at least $8000 sunk into the system and would still have to unload the wagons. PLus I would need a place to park 7 20' flat wagons in the dry and do it quickly.

Bale wagon cost me $5500, got $2000 in the grapple. When I first got it I was putting up 8000 bales a year and needed a crew of 8 plus me to keep things going. When I dumped in the barn I was done. Now, I've doubled production yet only use 2 other (and me). I do have to hand load the sheds b/c of increased production. No regrets, I made the right choice for me.

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David in MD

04-07-2004 08:00:43




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 Re: Bale Wagons or Automated loading in reply to JM, 04-06-2004 22:59:41  
Check out www.roederimp.com or www.sodbustersales.com for specifications and operation of NH bale wagons. I use a NH 1002 wagon (55 bale capacity)to stack directly in a pole building and average 3 loads an hour. My building only accomodates the small wagon but a larger wagon would increase your capacity as much of the time is spent running to the building and stacking the load. The stack is 7 bales high on edge or 10.5 ft and the wagon takes just under 14 feet to dump. If I need the space I hand stack bales on top later. Baling into kicker wagons which are the preferred method method in my area is faster but you need a fleet of wagons and help to unload them.

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JD Jack

04-07-2004 11:29:51




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 Re: Re: Bale Wagons or Automated loading in reply to David in MD, 04-07-2004 08:00:43  
"A fleet of bale wagons and help to unload them"? I have to agree and disagree with this statement. Many people i know do need lots of help and a fleet of 6 or more wagons. If you are lucky like the place I work at in the summer, They have 3 people to bale hay. 1 baling, 1 unloading and 1 piling in the barn. They also run only 2 wagons(kicker racks that get 150+ bales without piling the bales on), so whan the one load is unloaded the 2 people at the barn go and get the next wagon... This works ok if you ahve people who can handle the work, relatively short drives to the field, and a pickup truck to haul wagons. Using this system we have put up up to 2,000 bales in a day. The only way we could do this is that we did shifts on running the baler to get some rest. Many people simply can't run this system, and eithor end up with more wagons or more people. Granted i am in northern New York, and I don't know of anyone who uses the New Holland bale wagons or accumulators. For you, you should decide on how much time and help you will ahve and then decide based on that. Good luck

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