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Farmertee

04-06-2004 18:59:44




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I was reading the previous message on baleage and I was wanting to bale the hay when it was dry and then wrap it. I was wondering if there would be any problems with doing this or if I should bale at a higher moisture content. I know that haylage put in the silo at to low moisture will catch fire. I would be feeding to cattle mainly however I would like to sell to some horse customers if this would work and not ferment to much in the wrap. The main reason I would be wrapping would be for storage to keep bales dry. Any help would be appreciated.

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Roy in UK

04-07-2004 04:56:22




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 Re: baleage in reply to Farmertee, 04-06-2004 18:59:44  
When we went in for big-bale silage here in England, the agency that we bought the bale wrapper and bale grab from ( a company called Volac, a company that specialises in animal nutrition )advised us from the outset NEVER to wrap dry hay. It can cause all sorts of problems. The moulds that are formed under the wrapping can be very detrimental to animal health.



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Hay Dr

04-06-2004 20:21:11




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 Re: baleage in reply to Farmertee, 04-06-2004 18:59:44  
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If you want to sell dry hay to horse customers build you a shed. Horse customers most often want small square bales stored inside. If you are going to wrap bales for sure you will want to do haylage, twice the food value for the same money. Take for instance any of the small grains cut & wrapped at the correct time will produce more usable protein than corn silage. Wrappers are available in the rental market, so smaller farmers do not need to purchase a wrapper.

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paul

04-06-2004 19:43:42




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 Re: baleage in reply to Farmertee, 04-06-2004 18:59:44  
The short answer is that you have much better options. What you are saying could work, but more often will make moldy hay or a fire.

Bale sleeves (open ended), just net wrap, 100' tarps, or a pole roof storage building will actually be much cheaper once you start pricing the balage equipment.

--->Paul



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kyhayman

04-06-2004 19:27:44




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 Re: baleage in reply to Farmertee, 04-06-2004 18:59:44  
You really have to be careful doing this. If moisture content is much above 16% moisture will seep to the surface of the roll and it will heat and mold there. There was an article in one of the farm mags (Forage Grower or Hay Today I think) a couple of months ago about a guy doing this and misting the rolls with propionic acid on the outside before wrapping. My next door neighbor (who wraps most of mine) wrapped 800 rolls of dry hay this past year for himself. All in all made pretty good stuff. SOme of the bales were a little dark (a sign of heat damaged protein). I have 1 tube of 60 that we wrapped too dry (low 30%'s). No mold but has a really sweet smell (ethanol) fermintation. Cows dont like it much, intake dropped to about half. If I didnt already have barn storage I would wrap my dry hay. This is kind of random but I dont think I would want to try and wrap dry hay with anything but an inline, only takes 3 layers of plastic, with a single bale it seems that the plastic cost would be too high.

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BFarr

04-07-2004 07:34:49




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 Re: Re: baleage in reply to kyhayman, 04-06-2004 19:27:44  
Awhile back you mentioned using a moisture tester for baleage. My dry hay tester tops out at 30%. What moisture do you try to bale your baleage at and what model tester gives you that reading
Thanks



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kyhayman

04-07-2004 11:52:05




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 Re: Re: Re: baleage in reply to BFarr, 04-07-2004 07:34:49  
I used to have a FarmTec that went to 40 or 45%(aweful to get a little forgetful). My goal was to always bale at the top reading (it read 45~ when above, as long as I was baling more than 8 hrs after cutting no danger of going over 80% here unless it's raining.

Delmorst I have now reads to 45%. Same rule applies. I start to worry as the numbers start to fall. 30% is my break point, I either have to let it dry down to 20% or apply propionic acid. That 20-30% range is the killer for me. Some days the humidity here holds me at 20-25% for days. That's why I keep acid tanks. Working on some stuff now to use fans (really, really high volume) to barn dry on down (working on introducing heat into the air stream this year). We'll see how it works, last year I brought some timothy from 24%-18% in the bale in the barn in 36 hrs with my pilot project. Internal temp never got over 84 deg the whole time. I tried it on 150 bale lots last year, this year I'm going to gradually increase up to see what number I can dry in 48 hrs or less. With acid costs of $20-$30 per ton of hay I've got a little room to play.

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BFarr

04-08-2004 03:53:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: baleage in reply to kyhayman, 04-07-2004 11:52:05  
Thank you for the reply. I enjoy your posts on hay production



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