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equipment for haying 100 acres

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K2Farmer

04-06-2004 10:23:57




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I've been checking into what I would need to cut/bale hay on a 100 acre field, and I'm running into questions. I *think* I would need a moderate-sized tractor (say about 45hp) with a PTO, a mower to cut it, a rake or tedder to cure it, and a baler to bale it. But when I go to look at all the haying equipment for sale in my area, I'm at a loss in terms of which models/sizes I need. Are there any rules of thumb that you all can suggest? If it helps, I'm in a humid environment where we have heavy grass growth and narrow curing times. I'm looking for a hay "mentor" locally but I'd appreciate any guidance you all might give too. Thanks

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Ron in AR

04-08-2004 08:34:48




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 Re: equipment for haying 100 acres in reply to K2Farmer, 04-06-2004 10:23:57  
Well, here's my two cents..... . I'm in West-central Arkansas and here's what we use. For tractors we have a Ford 5900, a Ford 2110, NH 3930, and a David Brown 880. Two NH 256 rolobar rakes, two NH sickle bar mowers, one NH 640 round baler, and one older NH square baler. We could get by without as many tractors, but this way we don't waste much time changing implements as often. There are only two of us working this, and one is my 85 year old employer. Course I'm no Spring chicken myself at 54. Here's how we do it... we both cut, then one guy rakes and one bales, then we both grab a tractor and move the bales into storage. We do mostly round bales and only a few hundred small square bales for some local horse customers with no storage space. We do between three and four cuttings a year on about 125 acres of Bahia/Bermuda mix. The acrage is split up on three farms within about two miles of each other and we have storage space on two of them. When we start a field, it usually takes us about three/four days, start to finish. Of course this all depends on the weather. Like everyone else has said before me, location, location, location!!! In another area our methods may not work at all!

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Hay Dr.

04-08-2004 16:56:38




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 Re: Re: equipment for haying 100 acres in reply to Ron in AR, 04-08-2004 08:34:48  
Come on over to the promised land and try a drum or a disc mower you will never go back to anything with a sickle bar.



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don

04-09-2004 18:21:02




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 Re: Re: Re: equipment for haying 100 acres in reply to Hay Dr., 04-08-2004 16:56:38  
Hay Dr. Question, I got out of the business to go into Industrial Engineering of which I was trained for as the drum cutter or disc cutter was coming into play in Ohio, can you tell me what they are doing for hay conditioning? such as a crusher or whatever to speed up drying time. We need it here because of short drying times before the next possible rain. I like the drum cutter idea because it cuts much cleaner and doesn't rely so much on sickle blade to ledger plate wear to do a good job and believe me nothing upsets me more than to see a strip where a blade or ledger plate has broken after youv've picked up your windrows.

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Sam (MO)

04-08-2004 08:19:51




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 Re: equipment for haying 100 acres in reply to K2Farmer, 04-06-2004 10:23:57  
Here my two cents worth. First off it's just me and the wife, both is our 50's. We only cut about 45 acres of alfalfa. We use the following equipment. Ford 5610 tractor
IH 454 tractotr
NH 478 haybine
254 Tedder does two 7' real nice
NH 310 baler 1033 bale wagon and we are still tired by the end of the season.
Best of luck.



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Jim in michigan

04-08-2004 07:15:38




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 Re: equipment for haying 100 acres in reply to K2Farmer, 04-06-2004 10:23:57  
We get rain here in Northern Mi every few days during summer,,we have a long growing period and a short cutting season,, I use: Farmall H for a tractor, Case 555 haybine to cut or my sickle bar,Old steel wheel side delivery rake, this year I have a old rubber tire side delivery rake, and a NH 68 hayliner baler. I bale roughly 100-150 acres a year with no problems from these machines,, I paid less then 500$ for the whole works,,bought the H for 100$ out of someones yard, 200$ for the haybine,50$ for the baler and the rakes were free. I know the tractor was a steal, but the rest is the normal going price here,,,I see guys selling a JD 24T baler for 1200 bucks,,that is twice what you would give here,,I have one I would sell for 600 and never think twice about it...Jim

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paul

04-08-2004 07:44:19




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 Re: Re: equipment for haying 100 acres in reply to Jim in michigan, 04-08-2004 07:15:38  
That's why "hay" means such different things to people in different areas. Are you getting 1 or 2 cuttings from yours?

Here locally there could be about 30,000 bales of alfalfa from a very good stand of 'hay' on 100 acres. That would make an H work! :)

--->Paul



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Jim in michigan

04-08-2004 13:33:02




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 Re: Re: Re: equipment for haying 100 acres in reply to paul, 04-08-2004 07:44:19  
We only did about half what we normally do last season,, roughly 5000 bales of just plain hay. Nothing fancy. This year the cows are gone so I am only looking at roughly 500 bales instead of 5000-10000 so that makes life easier,,,Jim



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paul

04-06-2004 20:03:45




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 Re: equipment for haying 100 acres in reply to K2Farmer, 04-06-2004 10:23:57  
I too await more info. :) You said you are in a humid area, so you are looking at making hay - fast - when the sun shines. That increases your costs, as your tractor size is aweful small for 100 acres.

Here in southern MN we have humid weather & rain every 3 days. 100 acres of small squares of alfalfa takes 3 tractors, 2 people, many bale racks with thrower or a NH bale wagon, and lots of luck. 3-4 cuttings a year, those 2 people are real tired by the end of the year. :)

Round bales, grass hay - then it's a managable thing for what you suggested. I'd want the tractor you mentioned plus a 100 hp tractor tho - big one for the baler & to handle the bales, small one for the rest of the work. Constantly changing from mower to rake to baler to bale moving to rake to baler to mower to rake.... Ugh.

You left out any transportation at all?

--->Paul

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Hugh MacKay

04-06-2004 16:18:30




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 Re: equipment for haying 100 acres in reply to K2Farmer, 04-06-2004 10:23:57  
K2Farmer: I think the first order of the day here is find out where you are located, what climatic conditions you will be dealing with. Across North America ther are vast differences on what you are dealing with and indeed the volumes of hay to be harvested. I farmed on the east coast of Canada where we had and annual rainfall of about 45" and with fertilization it was not uncommon to harvest 7 to 10 ton of dry hay per acre per season. I can quite imagine that is significantly different from Nebraska without irrigation. If you talked with someone in each of 49 mainland states plus 10 provinces in Canada you would probably come up with 30 different haying practices, and probably 250 different yields. I can see you harvesting anywhere from 250 tons annualy to 1000 tons annually. If far enough south with irrigation maybe even more than that.

Now if you are talking a 1000 tons of hay and given the labour situation of today, you better be prepared to shell out $250,000. to $500,000 in equipment. Used gear aint going to cut it.

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don

04-06-2004 19:06:16




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 Re: Re: equipment for haying 100 acres in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-06-2004 16:18:30  
I have to agree with Hugh too many unknowns one is your location because due to rainfall conditions the old addage "Make hay while the sun shines" holds true because if I remember right usually about the time hay is ready to bale it starts to rain so bigger and faster is better depending on your terrain because bigger and wider doesn't always like rolling ground such as 12 and 9' haybines ie; mower conditioners which is imperative in humid climates to speed up drying time and I agree disc cutters are better for grass type hay because cutter bars don't like grass especially at high speeds. Tedders and conditioners are designed to speed up drying time, the school is out as to how much just depends on the humidity. Hugh is right your yields could vary but it is a sure thing your first cutting with any rain at all will be the biggest so be prepared to handle a lot of volume in a short time because it's a sick feeling to have 10 or 20 acres left to go late in the day with storm clouds looming and not get back to it for a week or so looking at these long rows of black rope still in the field killing out your next cutting. You become a good weatherman. Tip, don't cut down more in one day than you can pickup in one day as you start out you'll know what that is.

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Del

04-06-2004 14:46:59




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 Re: equipment for haying 100 acres in reply to K2Farmer, 04-06-2004 10:23:57  
Size of fields and distance form home will play a factor. 100 acres in one or two flat to rolling fields close by will be easier than 100 acres in smaller hilly fields on several farms miles apart.



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Hay Dr.

04-06-2004 12:43:41




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 Re: equipment for haying 100 acres in reply to K2Farmer, 04-06-2004 10:23:57  
These other me have some good suggestions but we do need some more info. Your location, How much time do you have to harvest hay?, How much money do you want to spend? Will you be consuming any hay in your own operation? Horses, Cattle, Goats or Sheep? These are a few questions just to start.



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JMS/MN

04-06-2004 12:12:20




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 Re: equipment for haying 100 acres in reply to K2Farmer, 04-06-2004 10:23:57  
What is your end use? Feeding it yourself or supplying customers? If you have rounds and they want little squares..... Also, how much time and help do you have available to make hay? That dictates the size of equipment you need. Also, are you dealing in only grass hay, or other types that need different curing times? Best to get some local advice too.



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kyhayman

04-06-2004 11:59:53




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 Re: equipment for haying 100 acres in reply to K2Farmer, 04-06-2004 10:23:57  
For 120 acres of grass hay here's (round baled) what I started with and heres what I use now (we do quite a bit more than that but this is representative of whats at each farm. For square baling we bring in the bale, bale wagon, and a couple more tractors. I have multiples of each unit).

Starting:

NH 474 haybine (7' cut)
NI 8' 4 bar rake
NH 851 Round baler
560 Long tractor (52 hp) and 1210 Case DB with loader(65 hp)

Now (grass hay, RB, each farm):

NI 8' disc mower
NH 256 5 bar rake
NH 650 round baler
Ford 7610 and 7710 with loader (86 hp)
* NI 18' tedder (I dont always use it on my grass hay, about 50% of the time since I have it. Use it all the time on my square bales and alfalfa. This also doesnt include front loader, skid loader, and wagons to move hay.

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K2Farmer

08-11-2004 12:27:56




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 Re: Re: equipment for haying 100 acres in reply to kyhayman, 04-06-2004 11:59:53  
Hi everyone, and thanks for all the great responses. I decided pretty quickly that I was getting in over my head, and decided not to pursue the chance to hay that ground. Then I lost the bookmark for this page and only now found my way back.

But for those folks who were kind enough to ask for more info, so they could post more accurate responses, here's the details:
I'm in Western Washington state. We typically have cool, rainy and generally unpredictable weather right up until the 4th of July, then temps in the mid 80's to mid 90's, moderate humidity, and virtually no rain until the 1st of September. First and third cuttings are a dicey affair here, but second cuttings are usually pretty reliable and good. Yields around here vary from 1 ton/cutting/acre all the way up to 6 tons/cutting/acre, depending on whether you're in a river-bottom area or up in the hills. Alfalfa is rare; folks usually put up native grass, orchardgrass or timothy. I was looking to provide for my own livestock with small square bales, by haying a field that a friend owns about 10 miles away. I quickly realized that transportation would be a royal pain, and I would be better off continuing to buy the bales from my dealer than to try to put up all that hay with just myself and a few friends (some who had never hayed before). Can you spell nightmare, and the end of a few friendships? So I decided against it. I will take the various suggestions to talk to other hay growers here in the area and see what they're doing before going out and buying all sorts of equipment myself. But I wanted to give you all a big thanks for posting so many great responses.

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James in NC

04-06-2004 10:49:05




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 Re: equipment for haying 100 acres in reply to K2Farmer, 04-06-2004 10:23:57  
What types of hay are you planning to put up? Do you what to round or square bale? I assume that it is just grass hay (ie. fescue) then you will probably want a disc mower a 7'10" cut will go along with the size tractor that you are talking about. The v-wheel rakes are fast and cheaper than a new bar rake although there are lots of used rakes out there. Some folks love wheel rakes others hate them. Talk to folks in your area. Tedders are nice to have but not a must. If you want to square bale I can't help much there. If you want to round bale 4' wide x 5' diameter bale would be about right. The Vermeer 504 models would be good choice. I would look F series and newer. I hope this helps.

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Dick Davis

04-07-2004 04:34:18




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 Re: Re: equipment for haying 100 acres in reply to James in NC, 04-06-2004 10:49:05  
Check out what your neighbors use and what they might use instead. Local knowledge is generally helpful, might even have some leads on used stuff for sale. My nickel Dick Davis



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