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Del

03-28-2004 06:20:50




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We are shopping for a new hay mower. It must be disc cutter,9 to 10ft range and a pull type machine. We have had Hesston and New Holland but kinda like the New Idea machine. Don't know to go with impeller or rolls. Any and all comments would be appreciated. Thanks a lot for your comments in advance!!




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Del

03-31-2004 16:05:19




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 Re: Disc bine in reply to Del, 03-28-2004 06:20:50  
Thanks a bunch fellows.



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INCase

03-29-2004 10:23:45




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 Re: Disc bine in reply to Del, 03-28-2004 06:20:50  

The Heston's CaseIH and NewIdea units were all made by "hay and forage equipment inc." Which AGCO bought out when CaseIH was GIVEN to Fiat-Agri (aka NewHolland) Some models were identical w/different colors. your history w/Hesston may tell you something?? Do a web search and see if you can find any university papers on impeller vs. roller... good luck



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Hay Dr

03-28-2004 20:59:35




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 Re: Disc bine in reply to Del, 03-28-2004 06:20:50  
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You might want to look at the Vermeer Disc Pro.
The Vermeer has the most advanced technology floating system of all the discbine MFGS.
Shaft driven
Steel Conditioner Rollers
Double wide skids

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Drummer

03-29-2004 20:10:58




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 Re: Re: Disc bine in reply to Hay Dr, 03-28-2004 20:59:35  
But didn't you say conditioning hay is a useless proposition? That farmers who wanted one were bull-headed and not progressive. Use a drum or disc mower and a tedder. It'll do better than any conditioner. Now you're trying to sell a machine with a conditioner. Hmmmmm.



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bob

03-29-2004 19:31:45




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 Re: Re: Disc bine in reply to Hay Dr, 03-28-2004 20:59:35  
what's the tariff on that rig?



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kyhayman

03-28-2004 20:11:17




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 Re: Disc bine in reply to Del, 03-28-2004 06:20:50  
I keep hearing people say that the impellers are rough on legumes, havent actually seen it though. I've had both and cant see much difference on anything. The JD I had you could change the impeller speed to be more gentle. It did a good job but if I was buying new I'd get a Vermeer (wow, did I say that??). I really like the metal on metal rolls and the shaft cutter bar. Course when I went to buy I got a NI disc mower and tedder.

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jls

03-28-2004 20:06:39




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 Re: Disc bine in reply to Del, 03-28-2004 06:20:50  
replace a set of rolls and the impeller machines will sell themselves. My old JD has a shield that can be moved to make conditioning less agressive. never plugged an impeller. when you're cutting it's green, doesn't seem to affect leaf loss but high end alfalfa guys prefer rolls. I've looked in alfalfa and can't see any loss on the ground.



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Tim(nj)

03-29-2004 07:27:06




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 Re: Re: Disc bine in reply to jls, 03-28-2004 20:06:39  
It depends on the growing conditions. My friend and I have been running a New Idea Cut/Ditioner and an M-C Rotary Scythe through the grass hays, and traditionally those two flail cutter/conditioners have been considered unsuitable for clover and alfalfa. However, last year the clover was very lush because of all the rain, and the flails didn't do too much damage to the leaves. In a dry year, it seems as though the leaves don't want to hold to the stem as well. That's when we've noticed leaf loss on the ground.

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T.C. Mallett

03-28-2004 19:00:28




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 Re: Disc bine in reply to Del, 03-28-2004 06:20:50  
I have a Case IH 3309 Disc mower conditioner. It appears to be identical to the New Idea machines and the Case dealer said it is made by New Idea. This machine was made between 1989 and 1992. I converted my haygrazer land to Tifton 85 this year and my cutter is for sale since I don't need to condition this type of hay. It is in good shape and ready to go to work. Located about 30 miles east of Austin, Texas. Price $3,100 which is wholesale value according to the dealer book. Let me know if you are interested.

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john2510-3020

03-28-2004 18:58:29




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 Re: Disc bine in reply to Del, 03-28-2004 06:20:50  
I bought my first discbine last year, it was a New Holland 415, nice unit, I wasnt much for the rollers, didnt seem to crimp like it should of. I used it for 2 months and then the bar locked up tighter then a jug. I went a traded it for a 925 John Deere with the impellers, I couldnt be happier. My cousin owns a dairy, and puts up his own alfalfa, silage, and dry hay. He owns a 945 with the impellers, and he says its not near as hard on the alfalfa plants as the rollers on his old NH 499 were, hmm go figure. I dont know I guess Im just partial to the impellers, but what it boils down to is personal preferance. When ever I purchased my machine the dealer said that the impeller machine sold 10 to 1(being impellers over rollers). I figured that was good enough for me. But again its really just personal preferance. I hope this helps.
John

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Jerry D in NC

03-28-2004 18:00:04




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 Re: Disc bine in reply to Del, 03-28-2004 06:20:50  
I have never used anything but the roller style of conditioning but a neighbor cut a field with his Vicon with impellers that had some wild onions in it. Never did get them stems dry. Always did fine with the rollers. Also understand that the impellers are not kind to Alfalfa and Clover but work great on grass hay. Seems it would depend on what you were going to use it for.



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Jerry D in NC

03-28-2004 11:43:51




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 Re: Disc bine in reply to Del, 03-28-2004 06:20:50  
I have never used anything but the roller style of conditioning but a neighbor cut a field with his Vicon with impellers that had some wild onions in it. Never did get them stems dry. Always did fine with the rollers. Also understand that the impellers are not kind to Alfalfa and Clover but work great on grass hay. Seems it would depend on what you were going to use it for.



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Rick

03-28-2004 07:50:43




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 Re: Disc bine in reply to Del, 03-28-2004 06:20:50  
Del; I have a JD 1460 disc mow/conditioner for sale. It is very nice running machine need nothing. It has rolls. Impeller I do not like for straight alfalfa hay. Grass hay you might be alright. I still prefer the steel rolls personally. Only reason selling I am going to a larger unit. $5650.00 cash 9ft 9inch cut 90 or 91 year. Field ready. Rick



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WaynO

03-28-2004 07:16:02




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 Re: Disc bine in reply to Del, 03-28-2004 06:20:50  
All my neighbors use New Idea disc. I have a 489 New Holland, and about 4 years ago I bought a gray 5209 New Idea Disc. Wow, easy maintenance, just a great machine. The 489 is just a back up machine now. One of the neighbors did reck theirs, but they were cutting fast in a new field and hit a well head pipe (I heard it spun the 100hp tractor and driver like a horse shoe ringer, that had to hurt). Not sure what you mean by impeller ?? As far as a New Idea disc, I think I've bought my last mow machine. This one should out last me :)

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Del

03-28-2004 07:57:19




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 Re: Re: Disc bine in reply to WaynO, 03-28-2004 07:16:02  
New Idea only offers conditioning rolls but several of the other machines offer conditioning rolls or impeller, a rotating series of flails that is supposed to condition the hay without crimping it.



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