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Benefits to a Drum mower?

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Yank.

03-21-2004 16:07:45




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What are the benefits above a haybine, other than the speed increase and if you use on does the hay take longer to dry is there more rakeing involed, i would like the pros and cons seems to me they are pretty reasonable and should be fairly durable just wondered how they were to use and changes in the normal process they made? thanks




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john

03-22-2004 06:20:31




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 Re: Benefits to a Drum mower? in reply to Yank., 03-21-2004 16:07:45  
It looks like a drum mower pulls behind the tractor like a bush hog. Wouldn't this hurt cutting the hay because you are running over the hay with your tractor that you are going to cut? I too have a haybine but would like to upgrade to a disc/drum cutter. I am a hobby farmer that cuts 45 acres of hay/ year. It takes me an acre per hour with my haybine. I would also like a machine that is durable and easier to replace/sharpen the blades. I run a 52 hp tractor.

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Mike (WA)

03-22-2004 12:28:33




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 Re: Re: Benefits to a Drum mower? in reply to john, 03-22-2004 06:20:31  
The drum mower does go out to the side, like all other hay mowers. Most swing to the rear for transport, and you may have seen it in that configuration.



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Yank

03-22-2004 06:33:35




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 Re: Re: Benefits to a Drum mower? in reply to john, 03-22-2004 06:20:31  
Nope John they pull off to a side like a haybine check out CCM's website they have some good pics of what they look like mounted.



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Hay Dr

03-22-2004 05:23:44




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 Re: Benefits to a Drum mower? in reply to Yank., 03-21-2004 16:07:45  
The greatest advantage of the drum/disc mower is you can mow any crop of hay any time you want too. With a haybine you can not mow wet crops or blown down crops. The drum/disc mowers have a greater capacity to mow more acres an hours well. If you work a public job you will save a days off work because you can mow with the drum/disc mowers late at night or early in the morning before work and you will have trouble with a haybine doing this. The drum mower is the most durable of all mowers that mow and harvest hay. For the part time weekend farmer the drum mower is the best value out there. We sell both drum and disc mowers but for the small farmer with a small tractor the drum mower is best for their situation.
Drying time is the same for the disc and the drum mower. We farm a 1000 acres and do not use a mower conditioner.

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Barney

03-22-2004 09:07:55




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 Re: Re: Benefits to a Drum mower? in reply to Hay Dr, 03-22-2004 05:23:44  
I own a Vermeer 211 drum mower. Bought it at an auction for next to nothing because the drive line housing was broken almost all the way off. I realigned it, and fitted it back to original location, then welded it. That's all I've done besides mopping out the gearbox and making a gasket for the cover. I used it last year with no problems, and don't see having any problems this year. We have FireAnts here in South Ga., and they make dirt mounds everywhere. The Drum/Disk Mowers are the only ones you can use without stopping everytime you hit an Antbed. All you hear is a "UMFFT" when it hits the Antbed, and the hay is mowed the same around the Antbed as everywhere else. You can't do that with any other type of mower. I love Mine. It is made by PZ Zweegers also. I wish I could find out how old it is. Barney

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Hay Dr.

03-22-2004 16:18:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Benefits to a Drum mower? in reply to Barney, 03-22-2004 09:07:55  
I'm guessing your 211 Vermeer is and 1984 model.



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Yank

03-21-2004 18:11:27




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 Re: Benefits to a Drum mower? in reply to Yank., 03-21-2004 16:07:45  
I was looking at ccm's T-185 cuts 74" wide and takes a 33hp min tractor to run it for around $2500(US) i dont make a lot of hay but the mess of maintinence with a sickle type cutter is a lot more work than i need was just wondering on how effective they are and the pros and cons versises a haybine looks like it would be a few more trips around the field with a tedder so i guess about the same amount of time as a haybine just a lot less maintinence. thanks for the input.

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Mike (WA)

03-22-2004 12:25:29




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 Re: Re: Benefits to a Drum mower? in reply to Yank, 03-21-2004 18:11:27  
I wouldn't bet on a 33 HP tractor being able to handle one that size- try to find someone who has one before buying, to get opinions on HP needed.



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Yank

03-22-2004 13:41:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Benefits to a Drum mower? in reply to Mike (WA), 03-22-2004 12:25:29  
I'm not to worried about HP runnin about 60 at the pto but just wanted to know if they were worth the money



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kyhayman

03-21-2004 18:00:00




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 Re: Benefits to a Drum mower? in reply to Yank., 03-21-2004 16:07:45  
What I know of as a drum mower uses 2 (or more) relatively large drums with small blades (like on a disc mower). Both drum and disc mowers leave a similar result. Main difference I have seen between the two are drum mowers take more hp an dhave lower capacity per hour than disc mowers, and drum mowers use a lighter drive system.

As far as either compaired to a haybine, the resulting hay is not conditioned (just like off a sickle mower). I run a tedder 4 hrs behind a disc mower and net baling a little sooner than hay cut with a haybine but not tedded. Without the tedder it takes a day longer. Is it faster to cut (maybe, but I only cut 1 gear higher than with a haybine). Cost, crop condition, and repairs are why I choose a disc mower/tedder combination over a haybine (I have both). A new discbine will run $12K plus. My NI disc mower and tedder was $8500. (I'll never buy another sickle bar mower again) I change blades every week on my discmower, takes me 30 minutes and costs $35 with new bolts (during the winter I sharpen and balance these to reuse, try to turn twice). I have never, ever used a haybine and not broken at least 1 guard (at $10 each) a day. It takes me a half day to pull a sickle and sharpen it, and even with bolt in sections it takes a good hour to replace one. For crop condition, I raise 1/2 alfalfa/ grass mix and half timothy. I use the full recommended rate of N on my timothy (300 pounds ammonium nitrate per acre) Usually, by late June I have serious lodging problems. My haybine wont cut 10' in some of that mess, disc mower rarely chokes (but it can be done). I cant imagine using a drum mower, an 8' disc mower pulls harder than a 15' batwing (based on gph fuel consumption). If a drum mower takes more hp for ton of hay I dont have enough tractor (4 over 80 hp).

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Hay Dr.

03-22-2004 16:13:40




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 Re: Re: Benefits to a Drum mower? in reply to kyhayman, 03-21-2004 18:00:00  
I've seen the little 165 drum mower out mow a Kuhn disc mower. The crop was 8' high Sudex that was blown down and wet. The disc mower would clog every 8-10 feet but the 165 drum mower never plugged or clogged up.



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Roy in UK

03-22-2004 04:13:38




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 Re: Re: Benefits to a Drum mower? in reply to kyhayman, 03-21-2004 18:00:00  
I used to run a Lely Optimo disc mower/conditioner ( Nylon finger type conditioner) and I am sure that weather permitting, it used to save me at least one pass with the tedder.



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