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Rotary Hay Tedders

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Mark

03-17-2004 09:30:11




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For hay scattering, is the tedder wheel supposed to be parallel to the ground or tilted up in the back and if so, how much.

I just bought a Marra 2 blade 3pt tedder from Agri Supply (ASC) and it came unassembled (on a skid) with no directions and no assembly guide.

Through trial and error have found several parts missing and may be facing some factory/dealer installed backwards. A call to ASC received prompt response on the parts missing and damaged by sitting out in the rain (so called sealed wheel bearings).

Hooked it to a 3 pt 30 hp tractor yesterday, and the tires stick down much farther than the tynes, so much in fact, that I am assuming that the "landing gear" was installed backwards.

To get any ground contact by the tynes, the 3 pt has to be let way down and when that is done, it only tedders about a 2 ft wide strip and it is 9 ft wide. the rear is really in the air. The height of the landing gears is not continuously variable as is done with higher priced units.

One last thing. If used as a rake vs a tedder, is there a difference in the ground clearance (height) and tilt?

Sharing your expertise with me would be greatly appreciated.

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Mark

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Bill b

03-17-2004 17:57:41




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 Re: Rotary Hay Tedders in reply to Mark, 03-17-2004 09:30:11  
Hi, I have a pull type tedder I bought from ACS in Virgina. Get your dealer to copy the parts manuel and the operartor guide, they had lost mine too. When ajusted the rotor tilt towards the front about a inch or so off ground. I can fax you the parts manuel. Bill



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Mark

03-18-2004 06:01:50




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 Re: Re: Rotary Hay Tedders in reply to Bill b, 03-17-2004 17:57:41  
Thanks Bill for your help. One more question. Does the actual tedded area only extend out as far as the tires when tedding light cuttings? (972) 952-2574 And, are the rear tynes roughly 10 " off the ground when properly set for tedding? I just thought this thing should be more parallel to the ground.

Thanks again for your help,

Mark



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Bill B

03-21-2004 09:42:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Rotary Hay Tedders in reply to Mark, 03-18-2004 06:01:50  
Hi, Sorry the parts catologs I have are for the 4 rotor machines. I have had a 2 and 4 rotor machines. I like the 4 rotor machine a lot better becuase the arms are shorter and they operate with a better angle to the ground. Bill



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Hay Dr.

03-17-2004 14:51:20




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 Re: Rotary Hay Tedders in reply to Mark, 03-17-2004 09:30:11  
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Make sure the wheel axles are inclined forward like the picture. If they are inclined backward the tedder will not work properly.



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Mark

03-18-2004 06:07:16




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 Re: Re: Rotary Hay Tedders in reply to Hay Dr., 03-17-2004 14:51:20  
Thanks Hay Dr. for your reply.

My wheels are angled to the rear (opposite the pic) and the unit is positioned butt up just like the picture. The pipes supporting the wheels are kinda offset then do a curve thing so that the wheel is actually directly below the hub. If I turned them around, it looks like the wheel would still be directly beneath the hub but the distanct to the ground may be shorter and this is what I think I want....but don't know. Is the picture of a tedder ready to shuffle? It just seems like you have a lot of wasted stirring capability that isn't contacting anything.

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Mark

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kyhayman

03-18-2004 19:28:48




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 Re: Re: Re: Rotary Hay Tedders in reply to Mark, 03-18-2004 06:07:16  
Hay Dr's pic is correct for wheel set and tedding angle. I've never been very sucessful tedding real thin or real short hay (4th and 5th cutting alfalfa) at say 30 square bales per acre. I net about 8' of actual tedding capacity on a 9' and about 16.5' on an 18'. Ground speed should be about the same as mowing speed, they will do it faster but you get a lot of tine to ground contact adn that will destroy one. I do run a high rpm on the tedder, full 540 PTO. Almost everything I cut (except baleage) I ted at least once. Makes a huge differnece in alfalfa grass mixes and straight timothy. I'm netting a full half day faster curing with a tedder 4 hrs after a disc mower than I was with a haybine.

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Mark

03-19-2004 07:23:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Rotary Hay Tedders in reply to kyhayman, 03-18-2004 19:28:48  
Thanks for your experiences and that is one reason I wanted to tedd...rapid drying. The other problem was I use a sickle bar mower on grasses and save my swather/conditioner for sorghums. Well, to get the sickle to cut properly, you have to push the previous cutting away from the inside of the next row. A deflector on the end of the sickle does this but the better it does it's job, the larger pile of hay and especially in 270 degree turns (in my triangular fields) it really makes a mess. Seems the teddy is the answer and will know in about 60 days.

Last night I cut the wheels off my "brand new tedder" with my torch. Tedds like one would think. Nice and flat and reasonably wide. I am going to shorten them and reinstall and I think it will work better. They were just too long.

Thanks,

Mark

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Mark

03-19-2004 07:22:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Rotary Hay Tedders in reply to kyhayman, 03-18-2004 19:28:48  
Thanks for your experiences and that is one reason I wanted to tedd...rapid drying. The other problem was I use a sickle bar mower on grasses and save my swather/conditioner for sorghums. Well, to get the sickle to cut properly, you have to push the previous cutting away from the inside of the next row. A deflector on the end of the sickle does this but the better it does it's job, the larger pile of hay and especially in 270 degree turns (in my triangular fields) it really makes a mess. Seems the teddy is the answer and will know in about 60 days.

Last night I cut the wheels off my "brand new tedder" with my torch. Tedds like one would think. Nice and flat and reasonably wide. I am going to shorten them and reinstall and I think it will work better. They were just too long.

Thanks,

Mark

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kyhayman

03-17-2004 14:16:29




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 Re: Rotary Hay Tedders in reply to Mark, 03-17-2004 09:30:11  
If I remember correctly the clearence of tooth to ground should be between .5 and 1.5" at the point closest to the tractor. I used to run mine too low and after buying a dozen or so arms I figured out that they get bent and you need to bend them back to where they are all the same height. I'm not sure how you adjust the deflection on a 3pt tedder, guessing that you shorten the top link?



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Mark

03-18-2004 06:14:27




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 Re: Re: Rotary Hay Tedders in reply to kyhayman, 03-17-2004 14:16:29  
Thanks hayman for the reply.

You are correct about the third member adjusting the frontal contact height. My problem is that I think the wheels are too low as compared to the teddder tynes and tedders only contact hay in the front in an area about as wide as the wheels are apart (2-3 ft for a 9ft teddy). Seems a waste. Now if I were making a windrow, and had a big one going, then maybe the sides would get in on the action.

I use a Ford 515 sickle mower for horse hay and the deflector on the end makes a thick wad that takes much longer than the rest to cure; especially where I have to turn back about 270 degrees on a triangular field.

The idea of the teddy was to come back and scatter everything evenly after cutting....job for a neighbor high school boy to give him some summer spending money.....keep him out of trouble.

Thanks,

Mark

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