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shredder a.k.a rotary mower a.k.a brush hog

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Leroy

03-15-2004 21:31:05




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Looking to purchase a 5 or 6' 3pt shredder to mow 10 acres and ditches. There is a fair amount of sapplings and brush in the 10 acres.

I've been looking at a medium duty King Cutter. A bit leary about brand because I know nothing about it. They're also only found at the farm stores in my area.....which to me means they probably work great with small HP tractors like an 8N but ??? if they're good on a 60hp tractor.

I'm value oriented. Don't mind spending more for different brand but wondering if king cutter represents value (good quality for less $$$). Any suggestions?

Thanks for your help!

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Leroy

03-19-2004 15:53:40




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 Re: shredder a.k.a rotary mower a.k.a brush hog in reply to Leroy, 03-15-2004 21:31:05  
This is a different Leroy, I have been posting on these boards for several years now, May have to start going by Leroy OH



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Leroy

03-19-2004 18:19:55




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 Re: Re: shredder a.k.a rotary mower a.k.a brush ho in reply to Leroy, 03-19-2004 15:53:40  
You've got a good name. Not sure if I've embarassed you..... If you want folks here to know it's you, I'd say the ones that care can probably tell my your comments. I don't post often so hopefully it won't be a problem for you. Hope you don't embarrass me though :>



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Jerry/MT

03-16-2004 20:17:42




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 Re: shredder a.k.a rotary mower a.k.a brush hog in reply to Leroy, 03-15-2004 21:31:05  
King Kutter has higher horsepower gear boxes for their cutters. I have one with a 60 HP gear box and a slip clutch drive shaft on order. See kingcutter.com



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TOM DUALLY

03-16-2004 17:57:20




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 Re: shredder a.k.a rotary mower a.k.a brush hog in reply to Leroy, 03-15-2004 21:31:05  
If you think that a king cutter will work for you after 2 or 3 passes I would go to your nearest equipment rental place and rent a heavy duty one for the first 2 or 3 passes then after you get it all cut down to managable size start using your king cutter to maintain it.



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Leroy

03-16-2004 21:20:05




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 Re: Re: shredder a.k.a rotary mower a.k.a brush ho in reply to TOM DUALLY, 03-16-2004 17:57:20  
Tom,

Thought about that but nearest rental place is over 30 miles away and they're not cheap.

I'd almost rather take my chances and buy a junker shredder. I've attempted this at a few auctions this year. It seems to me that everybody at auctions wants the same thing I do. Used shredders have been bringing $300-400 regardless of condition and I haven't seen too much that looked good. That's what led me to a King Kutter, for a little more money I'd have a new shredder. Which led me to ask if they are decent quality. And here I am still scratching my head.

Going the used route makes the most sense to me if I can find one at a dealer or make it through another auction. (how come what I want is always last??? Worse yet in my boredom I usually wind up buying and hauling home 30 peanut cans full of used nuts and bolts. Did I mention I don't care for auctions.)

Don't think I can justify a new Bush Hog or Woods for what I'm doing. My ROI would be crimson red (from my wife beating me).

Hiring a neighbor to do it is an option too but I'd rather make friends with them instead.

Thanks for the suggestion!

Please excuse the ramblings. Might be funny to someone but not the guy who wound up carrying all those peanut cans 1/2 mile to his pickup. (on second thought maybe I will go to the Bush Hog dealer tommorrow)

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RZ(Wa)

03-16-2004 16:49:43




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 Re: shredder a.k.a rotary mower a.k.a brush hog in reply to Leroy, 03-15-2004 21:31:05  
I picked up a used 12 foot Edwards 3-spindle (read: blade)rotary a few years ago. And although it has belt driven spindles rather than a gearbox like the King Cutter, Woods, Bush-Hog, etc. I wouldn't trade it for any of 'em. I've come across more than one of each of those three at auction and they have all been beat-to-death. The skirts and deck having been beat out, beat up, patched and welded. With the one I have, I can reshape winter-grown rocks down to pebbles and arrowheads with none the worse for wear or looks, just resharpen the blades once in awhile (they ain't lawnmower blades). The skirts have never been rewelded or patched (looks like the box is 1/4 or 5/16 plate). I'd like to get another smaller one sometime, but I don't think they make them that hefty-duty any more.
As a second note: I am preferring the belt driven spindles over the gearbox because of the ease of repair, the cost of any out of warranty repairs and for not having to replace shear pins or keys or worse yet, risk the tractor PTO (yeah, I know it's all in the set-up).

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a gauthier

03-16-2004 16:27:09




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 Re: shredder a.k.a rotary mower a.k.a brush hog in reply to Leroy, 03-15-2004 21:31:05  
Hi, I suggest you try to find something like an old Continental pull type or something similar. You can get one pretty cheap at some farm auction. I used an old one at about 18 inches from the ground and bent and chopped trees with up to 4 in. diameter for about three acres pulling it with my old WD45. I had sharpened the blades before. I just passed again after at the lowest height setting. All that was left was a couple of small piles of sticks at the end! And the mower is still in great shape.
Then again, I also mow brush 1-2 in. diameter with a 5 foot on a 3 pt hitch. That one is easier to back up exactly where you want. Good luck!

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wirehair

03-16-2004 09:01:46




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 Re: shredder a.k.a rotary mower a.k.a brush hog in reply to Leroy, 03-15-2004 21:31:05  
I own a King Cutter 5' mower and would definitely not recommend it for your application.

My use for it is to maintain 10 acre open field and trails in the woods previously cleared with a chainsaw.

I've used it to shred some multiflora rose and blackberry thickets, but wouldn't tackle anything heavier then that.



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Indydirtfarmer

03-16-2004 05:06:35




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 Re: shredder a.k.a rotary mower a.k.a brush hog in reply to Leroy, 03-15-2004 21:31:05  
When I buy any piece of equipment, I look at several factors. First. Will it do the job I ask? Second. Will it handle my needs in the forseeable future? Third. Is it "Just barely big/heavy enough"? Or is there a margin of error, that will insure I'm not going to destroy it the first time I use it? Forth. Should I need bigger or smaller or just different, can I recoupe my investment, or am I going to loose much from the original purchase price. Finally, Does the brand I'm looking at have a reputable "history"? I've bought and sold a few King Kutter brand mowers, and other impliments over the years. They're more "consumer grade" tools, than commercial/farm equipment. They'll do the job, provided that it's not too tough of a job. Even their "high horsepower" gearbox equipped mowers are marginal for heavy use. They're OK for clipping pastures, mowing weeds, and light-to-medium-duty chores, but I wouldn't recommend shreading saplings with one. I'm sure that I'll get a few contradictory points of view, but that's my opinion. I would suggest stepping up to a Bush-Hog brand, Woods, or Rhino mower. Go with medium duty or heavy duty from one of those manufacturers, and be sure to get a high horsepower gearbox. Like it has been said, buy one gearbox, and you'll understand the value of a good, heavy duty one. I usually do my bush hogging with a 60 HP tractor. I have a Woods mower, with an 85 HP gearbox. I also have a Bush Hog Heavy duty mower, with, as memory serves me, a 100hp gearbox. The Bush Hog gets the rough stuff. It's about 400lbs heavier than the Woods, so I use the Woods when I can, to save wear and tear on my tractor. Hope some of this helps. Good luck. John

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Mark

03-17-2004 05:36:33




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 Re: Re: shredder a.k.a rotary mower a.k.a brush ho in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 03-16-2004 05:06:35  
Indy dirt you are right on.

There have been several posts recently and I expounded upon the subject a couple of times. Having owned half a dozen brands I agree with Indy.

Just a couple of notes:

3 pt saves your drive line and sometimes it works better than drag as it gets the corners on the first pass whereas a drag has to be backed up. On drags, every time you turn off dead ahead you beat up your drive line.

Heavy duty gear box is as must. Bust just one and you'll know why.

Chains or something to keep the crud out of your tires and YOUR BACK are a must.

Good luck

Mark

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Leroy

03-16-2004 16:29:26




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 Re: Re: shredder a.k.a rotary mower a.k.a brush ho in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 03-16-2004 05:06:35  
Thank for everybodies comments. It's one of the things I like about this site. The comments are what I probably needed to hear but not what I wanted to hear. Kind of like having a Dad that has experience with everything.

John,

The third factor you mentioned is my problem. After the first few passes a King Kutter would probably meet my needs just fine.

A side note: Guess I'm having a difficult changing my paradigms. Growing up Bush Hog was the shredder, Rhino was the blade and never used a Woods until I used a Woods belly mower on a IH 140.

Thank a lot. It did help.

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Mark

03-17-2004 05:37:36




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 Re: Re: Re: shredder a.k.a rotary mower a.k.a brus in reply to Leroy, 03-16-2004 16:29:26  
Thanks for the feedback.

Mark



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hay

03-16-2004 02:58:00




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 Re: shredder a.k.a rotary mower a.k.a brush hog in reply to Leroy, 03-15-2004 21:31:05  
king kutter ( like other brands) has different rated gearboxs for their rotary cutters. the most common at some of the farm stores is the 40 hp rated gearbox and of course the price is much less than the 60 hp rated cutter. you get what you pay for.



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