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Using a tarp on square bales.

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Kelly C

03-13-2004 09:28:10




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Any one done any tarping? No way I will be able to get the hay from my 25 acres to the barn on the same day. SO I figured I would stack and tarp them in the field for a few weeks.
Any Ideas on the best course of action for this?
I can get all the pallets I want for free so I may stack on pallets to get off the ground.




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Dave H (MI)

03-13-2004 10:03:18




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 Re: Using a tarp on square bales. in reply to Kelly C, 03-13-2004 09:28:10  
My experience is that wherever the tarp lies on the hay, mold will start. If the hay heats at all there is moisture that condenses on the tarp.
Heat can be from fermentation or even sunlight hitting the outside. Moisture can rise up from the ground. I tarp a lot of hay, but I always end up with a few bad bales out of it. You can do what I do and pull the tarp off during the day and re-cover at night or when rains. Lots of fun in the wind!

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Kelly C

03-13-2004 10:15:38




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 Re: Re: Using a tarp on square bales. in reply to Dave H (MI), 03-13-2004 10:03:18  
DO you tarp the entire stack top to bottom?
Or do you leave the sides exposed?



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Dave H(MI)

03-13-2004 10:53:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Using a tarp on square bales. in reply to Kelly C, 03-13-2004 10:15:38  
It depends. If it is just to keep the sun off the top and there is no rain in the picture, I might lay the tarp across the top. Usually the bales are on a wagon and I run the tarp right down to a foot below the bed. Had a lot of trouble this past summer. I had some extra the horse people didn't buy and had to go out of town for a week. Those top bales got a little soggy.
If I were to do it again, I would put pallets on TOP of the hay for air space and hope for the best. Man, all this hay talk is making me look forward to getting out and work on the equipment and hitting the field!

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Kelly C

03-13-2004 15:23:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Using a tarp on square bales. in reply to Dave H(MI), 03-13-2004 10:53:51  
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Ok I can see where moisture could be a problem with laying a tarp ontop of the stack. What about something like this? Build a ridge beam into the stack and place some 2x4's out along the side of the stack.
Staple some plastic sheating over this. leaving a couple of feet out along the bottom and a nice air pocket on top.

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Dave H (MI)

03-14-2004 06:56:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Using a tarp on square bales. in reply to Kelly C, 03-13-2004 15:23:34  
Another thing I noticed. Stemmy first cutting stores under tarp better than later, more leafy cuttings (obviously, I think) because the leaf is more susceptible to mold and probably there is more moisture. If I have to store long-term I sell the better hay first and keep the stemmy stuff for my own. More $$ that way too.



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Dave H (MI)

03-14-2004 06:52:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Using a tarp on square bales. in reply to Kelly C, 03-13-2004 15:23:34  
Kelly-Ray in Pa and I use the same general principle. I also use a sacrificial strip of single bales across the top. Sometimes these mold, but not always. I tried using lumber contraptions but by the time you get done it seems you have half built a barn. Another problem I will mention, is that rough lumber and hay are hard on tarps. They tear if you pull them over the edges of lumber and the hay pokes holes in them. Unfortunatly, I do not have a building I care to risk by storing my hay in.
Maybe when I have done it longer, but not now.
Probably shouldn't worry, I make pretty nice hay for someone who doesn't know much. :-)

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Kelly C

03-14-2004 09:03:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Using a tarp on square bal in reply to Dave H (MI), 03-14-2004 06:52:44  
After I thought about it a bit. I will use a sacrificial strip along the top also. Or maybe use some bales of Oats hay along the top row.
Dont get much money for them any way.
I am still thinking on it though. A 2x4 cost less than a bale of hay.



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paul

03-13-2004 13:07:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Using a tarp on square bales. in reply to Dave H(MI), 03-13-2004 10:53:51  
I was thinking, pallets on the top & leaving an open skirt area on the bottom for airflow might work well. Hay really needs airflow through it, esp right after baling. Moisture continues to move through it, and the heating & cooling of sun & night under a tarp _really_ makes that moisture move up to the top.

Note I haven't tarped hay so I'm just supposing, I was 5 the last time dad did here....

--->Paul

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Ray in Pa.

03-13-2004 22:48:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Using a tarp on square bales. in reply to paul, 03-13-2004 13:07:44  
I have done a lot of experimenting with tarps on hay and straw and I currently use this method that seems to work the best for me.

1. Should use 4x4's to support bales off ground, can also use pallets, Or 4" to 6" logs. 2. The key is to stack the bales up to be a steep triangle shape stack with the last top row being only one bale row. You would basicly have the stack start out wider at the bottom and working up to the single row at the top that supports the tarp. The stack should look like it has steps on its sides due to the narrowed stacking from using less bales per row as stacking towards the top. I use the step looking side bales as actual steps to climb the bale stack to get the bales up easier and to put the tarp on. Also the step looking sides allow important air to blow through along the side rows to help keep the tarp dry inside. 3. Put tarp on and keep it pulled taunt on the side's by using pieces of clothes line and tying on one gallon milk jugs filled with water and tied on about every 5 feet on sides. I use 20'x40' tarps and stack the bales so that the tarp's edges will end up about 2' from ground on sides so that the water filled milk jugs can keep the tarp pulled taunt. I make sure to do the same with the tarp at back end of stack. Front of tarp can be opened on breezy, dry days if needed. Also when stacking, make sure to alternate every other rows bale direction to stabilize stack and stack bales with cut side up. Another advantage to using my method is that you can use cheap tarps with great success because they will be more taught to fight the wind of which helps them to last longer. Also the steeper bale stack shape will allow rain to run off quicker and better, allowing even a tarp with some holes or tears to work pretty good. I have used 35' long stacked rows per tarp with great success. The only draw back to my method is that you will get a few less bales under the tarp, as a oppose to being stack square, and after several months, the top one row bales may darken where they touch the tarp.

Thanks, Ray in Pa.

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