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How to make Straw?

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SMARK

03-10-2004 17:25:56




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OK,I use alot of Straw and I always buy it. I would like to just grow my own.I have about 5 acres freshly bush hogged of brush to use. Should I plow first or just disc? What Seed do I plant? What implement do I use to Plant? What equiptment do I need to harvest and make Bales? I got a Ford 800 Tractor. I new to this and could use some help. Thanks




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Bill Smith

03-13-2004 18:32:09




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 Re: How to make Straw? in reply to SMARK, 03-10-2004 17:25:56  
I agree with the post that suggests that you should continue to buy straw. For #1, you will need to have all the equipment to raise wheat or oats and such, or higher it done. For #2, you are probably not going to want to have that sort of crop planted on the same patch of ground year after year. For #3, 5 acres is not really justifiable to have all the equipment and everything to raise and harvest wheat and then bail the straw. You would be way further ahead to plant the 5 acres to alfalfa, raise and bale and sell the hay and then turn around and buy straw. You would be making money that way. A good stand of alfalfa will last several years and you can get 3 to 4 crops a year depending on weather and location. When the stand thins out, maybe tear it up and higher wheat to be raised and harvested for a year or two and then put it back to alfalfa for several more years. You could always bale the straw on the years that you higher the wheat to be rasied and harvested. Just my 2 cents.

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riverbend

03-11-2004 19:32:53




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 Re: How to make Straw? in reply to SMARK, 03-10-2004 17:25:56  
I use more straw for mulch rather than bedding, so I like it rained on a time or two before it is baled. It comes out much softer and it is easier to break out of the bales. It is also quite gray. Oat straw is the nicest.



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Moose

03-11-2004 06:25:28




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 Re: How to make Straw? in reply to SMARK, 03-10-2004 17:25:56  
Do you have a pickup truck and maybe a trailer? Then if you do try this. Find a local farmer and cut a deal. Tell him that you will buy the seed for the wheat and pay for the fertilizer( or split it with him) all he has to do is plant the wheat and harvest it and he gets the crop. He does not have a land payment or property taxes so his cost is much lower. When he harvest the wheat tell him that he must slide back his straw chopper/shredder. Most modern combines straw choppers just need to be slid back out of the way. This leaves the straw in a windrow for the baler. You must ask the operator to run his head a little lower than normal but on 5 acres that should not be a problem. Then all you need is a baler. Drop the bales on the ground and come back with your pick up and haul them to the shed.

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Jerry D in NC

03-11-2004 03:45:00




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 Re: How to make Straw? in reply to SMARK, 03-10-2004 17:25:56  
There is one exception to Paul's sage advice below of straw being a waste product that you utilize. If you are using the straw for chopping in seeding machines. We actually do raise Abruzie (miss-spelled I'm sure) rye and combine very little if any for grain sell. This variety makes alot of stem for the grain head. With straw selling for $3 a bale to landscapers and road crews it is possible. It started as a rotation crop for tobacco land and utilized the residual fertilizer. This gave a crop from land that was sitting idle for a year, kept the weeds down and utilized fertilizer that would have leached. I have seen in excess of 200 bales to the acre grown here. It is an easy crop to harvest in the spring. If it takes a rain then it is not quite as pretty and yellow but for their application they don't care. We sell our bad or weedy hay this way providing an outlet for almost anything you can get into a bale for $3 but the straw is profitable doing it this way. But we live in a growing area with alot of constuction, both housing and road and as Paul always says "That's Here"

Paul, I would never have made it as a "Guesser" at the fair would I. Glad to see you back.

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JMS/MN

03-11-2004 07:56:39




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 Re: Re: How to make Straw? in reply to Jerry D in NC, 03-11-2004 03:45:00  
Straw is not created equal. What you say about rye regarding yield and fewer weeds is true- rye is somewhat of a herbicide. For your end use, rye is fine. But for animal bedding- the grain source makes a difference. Oat straw for livestock bedding is more absorbent, barley and wheat and rye are less so. They remind me of 'plastic' straws. They provide bedding but don't soak up much water. I used barley for years, but chopped it in the field and blew it into the haymow. The short pieces worked better than long straw, which the cows could kick to the gutter too easily.

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paul

03-11-2004 09:57:39




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 Re: Re: Re: How to make Straw? in reply to JMS/MN, 03-11-2004 07:56:39  
'Here' straw sells for $1.10-2.00 a bale. Or 55 cents a bale if the other person bales it.

Most folks, for bedding, prefer chopped straw. Short pieces are more absorbant, and the bale packs tighter so you get more straw per bale. Some older round balers can't handle short straw, those folks want the chopper removed. New rotory combines just generally chop up the straw to short pieces anyhow.

We used to grow rye, much more straw per acre, but it is more stemmy. Wanted that chopped, couldn't hardly get the bale pulled apart if the straw was left long! Rye is good for preventing some weeds from sprouting, there is renued interest in using it as a cover crop over winter & notilling corn into it.

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paul

03-10-2004 17:47:17




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 Re: How to make Straw? in reply to SMARK, 03-10-2004 17:25:56  
Straw is usually the leftover stems of oats, wheat, or rye. You plant them early in spring (or last fall for the winter versions) and harvest the grain in June/ July. Then you rake & bale the straw residue that came out of the back of the combine.

It is difficult to short-circut this process & not get the grain. You can't just leave the grain in, as the mice will go crazy. If you cut the oats before it heads it is very soft & green & shorter, everything would rather eat it than lay on it. You could bleach it out in the sun before baling, but only if you live in a very dry climate. In short, only rarely would it pay or even be possible to raise _just_ straw.

So, do you want to get in this deep for 5 acres? You will need tillage, drill (planter), swather (unless in a very dry climate), combine, rake, baler, wagon for grain, wagon for straw. Or there-abouts. Or have neighbors that do some portions for you.

Straw is really a byproduct allowing us farmers to add a different crop to our rotation. While the small grain is not as profitable as corn & soybeans (here) selling off the straw makes it possible to cash-flow the crop and break up weed & insect cycles somewhat.

If you have livestock that use straw, you must also need hay? It would be more profitable & less machinery to raise that & continue to buy your straw. You could beg or borrow the tools to plant the alfalfa or hay, & only need to own the baling equipment.

(And NCHillboy, I'm 2 years older than you guessed.... ;)

--->Paul

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