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John Deere 410/Hesston 5500

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Mark in MO

03-08-2004 10:04:39




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I'm looking at a John Deere 410 Round Baler,I think that this is "Closed Throat"? I'm wanting to hear you opinions about this baler. I'm also lookin at a Hesston 5500 and need to get feed back on it also. Thanks for you help.




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Mike

03-09-2004 05:39:21




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 Re: John Deere 410/Hesston 5500 in reply to Mark in MO, 03-08-2004 10:04:39  
Mark
I have a 510. Same baler except mine is a 5'wide bale and the 410 will be a 4' wide bale. These are closed throat balers. Something to look for in the older JD balers (410 & 510), there is a roller that hangs out to bottom of the baler and has rings on it. It serves keeping the bottom belts in line and as a tension roller for the bottom belts. Lay down and crawl under there and take a good look at that roller. Those rings will wear next to the roller shaft and break off. This is a high dollar roller unless you can find a used one somewhere. The other thing on these older balers is they are spring density therefore the bales they make are not as solid or dense as the newer balers with hydraulic belt tension but they will still make you a bale of hay. If you are planning on useing this baler only for your use then it'll do. If you're planning on trying to sale hay then the older JD is not the way to go. Be sure hay is dry, I mean dry or it will wrap around the rollers in the 410/510 and cause a pretty good mess. All this is my experience with my 510. good luck,
mike

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Mark in MO

03-09-2004 12:38:30




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 Re: Re: John Deere 410/Hesston 5500 in reply to Mike, 03-09-2004 05:39:21  
Thanks for the info gentlemen. I'll be baling Clover and Brome hay without the use of a Haybine, do you see this being a problem? I know baling Alfalfa without a Haybine can be a big pain getting it dry enough to bale.



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Big Jim

03-09-2004 14:03:13




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 Re: Re: Re: John Deere 410/Hesston 5500 in reply to Mark in MO, 03-09-2004 12:38:30  
Mark,

Red clover is one of the toughest types of hay there is to dry. Brome will dry quicker than red clover. If the hay you are going to bale is just about pure clover, you had better hope for several days of nice hot weather and low humidity. You may need to turn it a couple of times to get it to dry all the way through. If you have any green wads inside the windrow, you will learn some new swear words if you'll be baling with that 410 JD.

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Mark in MO

03-09-2004 14:22:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: John Deere 410/Hesston 5500 in reply to Big Jim, 03-09-2004 14:03:13  
My wife will tell you I don't need to learn any more swear words, HA! HA!. I have a good friend that tells me that even though his Hesston 5500 is a Closed Throat baler, he can bale when the hay is a little wetter. I'm just trying to look at all the options. Thanks for the feed back.



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Big Jim

03-08-2004 12:50:15




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 Re: John Deere 410/Hesston 5500 in reply to Mark in MO, 03-08-2004 10:04:39  
Mark,

If memory serves me correctly I don't think either one of those balers were open throat styles. The 410 was made in the early 80's and the 5500 was made in the late 70's and early 80's. I think the only open throat belt baler you could buy of that vintage would be a Vermeer. IMHO I don't think much of Hesston round balers. They cut a lot of corners to make one of cheapest balers on the market. I think you would be fine with a John Deere, however you are going to have to go a little newer and of course then the $$$$ go up. Good luck baler shopping.

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David Styles from Austral

03-13-2004 06:38:12




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 Re: Re: John Deere 410/Hesston 5500 in reply to Big Jim, 03-08-2004 12:50:15  
After owning a heston 5500 and a MF 1455 (same as a vermeer 554?) and hearing about all those closed throat pieces of junk - GO FOR THE VERMEER/MASSEY they are open throat and very simple and strongly built. Our massey 1455 was driven to destruction (sold it in 2001) Even drove it with bottom drum roller cracked off the shaft!! And we have always made 500 - 2000 rolls depending on seasons. Bottom line - the better the pickup and starter roller (rubber flaps on these older Vermeer/MF) the faster and easier your work will be. We used to bolt lengths of old baler belt along the starter roller to 'recondition it' and the difference was amazing. Hell we even had to run a bead of weld along the tops of all the ribs in the drum roller because they were half worn off. This baler was worn out when we bought it about 1990 and we used it for 10 years (about 10,000bales approx 800Lb) and we hardly spent a cent on it, it just was so simple that it could keep working and working. In australia they are just as cheap as hesston5500!!

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