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digger/disk or plow?

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Robert

03-02-2004 06:44:54




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Have 40 acres with about 30 we need to clean up. It has not had any attention in several years. Not pasured or anything. Lots of tall and down grass/weeds. It is heavy soil (well drained) and we want to put it into hay production. There are some rocks. We have to buy equipment, hopefully older to use with the several tractors we have, AC WD, JD 40, A, B, Case D, and MM UTS. Two have three point. Suggestions on best way to break this up would be appreciated.

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hoover

03-02-2004 19:46:20




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 Re: digger/disk or plow? in reply to Robert, 03-02-2004 06:44:54  
use a disk a digger wont work as it will plug up constantly a plow will also plug disk it a couple of times not in the same direction as before let lay for a few days work again with a disk if it looks like you can go through it work it with a digger go in different directions each time that way you wont be driving on your same tracks all the time



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Mguy

03-02-2004 18:54:10




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 Re: digger/disk or plow? in reply to Robert, 03-02-2004 06:44:54  
Bout bedtime, here's the deal. In the midwest disk twice and drill oats and sow your hay right along with it. Let oats get to boot stage and cut for hay or chop for silage, but get 'em off there somehow. Oh I forgot to say, get your fertility right first (PH , Trace elements etc. )Elsewhere somebody can FIELD that one .HE HE HE .Mguy.



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Mguy

03-02-2004 18:18:55




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 Re: digger/disk or plow? in reply to Robert, 03-02-2004 06:44:54  
We need to know your general location to make some of those astute recommendations.Also, do you have livestock? This kind of info is helpful. Mguy.



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Bill Smith

03-02-2004 10:07:35




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 Re: digger/disk or plow? in reply to Robert, 03-02-2004 06:44:54  
Not knowing what is established already there as far as grass, kind of leaves me in the dark. My first thought would be, burn the thing off in early spring. This will clean up all the residue and established grass will grow back. You can kind of see then what you can just leave alone. Pick up all surface rocks, fill holes with dirt, and spray the weeds (you can get spray that will kill weeds but not grass). Hopefully you can just do this with the whole place and it will be good enough. Otherwise, if there is some ground that doesn't have grass on it at all, it will definately need to be seeded. Can't really advise you on how to do that without looking at it myself. I guess work the ground up killing everything, then work it down smooth. Then seed it, but it ussually takes atleast 2 to 3 years to get a stand of grass established with no production during this time. The stand will be thin, and you ussually just let it go to seed and just mow it off and leave it lay. This would be for like brome or native type grasses. I don't even know what kind of grass you are dealing with or want to have. When looking at atleast 2 to 3 years out of production, most people try to maintain the grass that is there if there is any. You can also fertilize the existing grass to give it a boost. Just my 2 cents.

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JMS/MN

03-02-2004 23:04:11




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 Re: Re: digger/disk or plow? in reply to Bill Smith , 03-02-2004 10:07:35  
Why do you say it is out of production for 2-3 years? With an existing grass stand, there is no such thing as autotoxicity, as there is with alfalfa, so all you have to do is plow the sod, work it down, and replant the grass mix. Can use a cover crop like oats, barley, etc. or straight seed it. If you take the cover crop off by mid-summer, you still get at least one cutting of hay the first year. If you harvest the cover crop as grain, you'll get the normal number of hay cuttings next year.

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Robert

03-02-2004 14:23:31




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 Re: Re: digger/disk or plow? in reply to Bill Smith , 03-02-2004 10:07:35  
The established grass/weeds that are in place are not musch good for anything. I was looking for advise on which type of machinery to best use to bust it up before putting it into production. I have tried to burn it for two springs but so much forest around it and dry it is hard to get a permit. If I can get a good fire break I think they may let me this year.



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ShepFL

03-02-2004 19:56:35




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 Re: Re: Re: digger/disk or plow? in reply to Robert, 03-02-2004 14:23:31  
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Bill -
If you can I suggest getting a disk plow aka "new ground" plow (see pic). I turn planted pine fields with this rig and it tends to ride over heavy debris. Once the field is turned I would go over with a disk harrow to knock down the furrows and level the ground. Multiple passess will be needed I'm sure. Following that I would let it set and get a soil analysis. Check with your local Ag office of what is good hay in your area and their recommendations. Work in the lime and fertilizer, prepare the seed bed, plant your grass seed and pray :)

Note - The disk plow also works good at maintaining fire breaks. This yr. I replaced the disks with two 26" disks. I pull it behind an Oliver 550 Dsl.

FWIW

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