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Agitator for spray tank?

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Paul

02-26-2004 12:15:11




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I recently built a boom sprayer for my money pit, err, I mean dove field. It's a 55 gallon drum mounted in a frame of 2x4's that supports it about 6" off the bottom of a cart. Under the drum is a 2.8 gpm 12volt pump with the appropriate hoses and fittings to pump the liquid out to the 6 nozzles on the boom.

It should take no longer than 20 minutes for the pump to completely empty the 55 gallon tank. My water supply (garden hose) is about 3 minutes away from the field. I'll probably only be filling it with 40~50 gallons of water at a time.

Do I need some sort of agitator to keep the chemical evenly dispersed in the tank? Or will the relatively quick fill and spray until empty method be acceptable? The tank and contents will sort of be jostled and splashed around just by moving it while spraying. I plan to use it for treflan in the next month and probably glyphosate and liquid fertilizer sometime down the road. The treflan label said it needed to be agitated, but I wonder if it's absolutely necessary.

Hopefully the pic or link will show on this post.

Thanks.

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Billy ar

03-05-2004 08:01:03




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 Re: Agitator for spray tank? in reply to Paul, 02-26-2004 12:15:11  
If you don't use any dry flowables or wetable powders you probly be all right might get streak once and awile thats all.



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Dieselrider

02-27-2004 14:45:53




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 Re: Agitator for spray tank? in reply to Paul, 02-26-2004 12:15:11  
Paul, I tried to e-mail you as I have a couple questions on your sprayer. I am building one also, for spraying my fence lines. How did you get the fittings connected to the barrel without reaching inside to hold the nut on the fitting? Did you allow a place for air to enter the tank as the fluid is pumped out? Good luck on your project.



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Paul

02-27-2004 16:01:55




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 Re: Re: Agitator for spray tank? in reply to Dieselrider, 02-27-2004 14:45:53  
I sent a reply to you, but it bounced back. The address it went to was "yourname"@MNIS.LOCAL, I think something is wrong with the last part of your address.



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Dieselrider

02-27-2004 16:26:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Agitator for spray tank? in reply to Paul, 02-27-2004 16:01:55  
Paul, Try it with this one above. I don't know why direcway can be difficult sometimes.



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ShepFL

02-26-2004 19:13:37




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 Re: Agitator for spray tank? in reply to Paul, 02-26-2004 12:15:11  
Hey Paul -
I have no experience to speak from and in the past hired some of this work out. I do know that each compound has its own characteristics and requirements.

As paul said make sure you use equipment and herbicide/pesticides as described. ALWAYS READ AND FOLLOW THE LABELS. REMEMBER THAT LABEL IS THE LAW, PERIOD.

Also here in FL in order to purchase various herbicides/pesticides you must take a class to become certified. I am in the process of doing this right now. Below I have provided a link below from U of F (GO GATORS!) which should help you.

FWIW

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Paul

02-26-2004 16:17:55




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 Re: Agitator for spray tank? in reply to Paul, 02-26-2004 12:15:11  
It's a plastic drum. I originally made the boom about 2 years ago and used a 15 gallon tank with an equally ancient shurflo pump. The label was so worn I couldn't read anything. All I know is that it emptied the tank in about 13 minutes.

I got rid of that, but kept the boom and bought a new pump and new tips. I'm using red TeeJet fan nozzles now. They are rated for .40 gpm @ 40 psi, and .45 gpm @ 50 psi. I didn't just go out and buy the first 6 spray tips I could find. I picked the one that came the closest to my pump volume and pressure. Each one has a 50 mesh strainer.

My new pump is 45 psi and 2.8 gpm, and I have 6 nozzles. So that would mean I have an extra .25 gpm in capacity to pump back into the tank for agitation, right?

I'm using 3/4" tubing from the tank to the pump, and from the pump to the T fitting in the middle. The rest is 3/8".

The local co-op has boom sprayers. But the treflan has to be worked into the soil within 24 hours of application. If I applied the herbicide to my field with the sprayer from the co-op, I'd probably be out there with my small disk for about 24 hours before it was all worked in. I didn't want to do that, that's why I built the sprayer.

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paul

02-26-2004 17:22:26




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 Re: Re: Agitator for spray tank? in reply to Paul, 02-26-2004 16:17:55  
You still need to follow the label - it is a legal document. Mickey-mouse outfits are getting all us farmers in more & more trouble. You need to agitae if the label says agitate. A bypass valve is what you need. Some sprays need high pressure, some need low pressure. Glysophate especially needs a low water volume compared to most other sprays.

Please do this proper. It affects all of us. Aggitate. Regulate pressure.

--->Paul

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JMS/MN

02-26-2004 15:53:40




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 Re: Agitator for spray tank? in reply to Paul, 02-26-2004 12:15:11  
If you want to use herbicides in a responsible manner you need a complete system that applies the product in a uniform, consistent manner. You need to maintain a constant speed in order to calibrate properly, as well as a good pump, pressure control with bypass and gauge, and adequate agitation. Your local herbicide source should be able to provide you with the info you need, as well as the certification program needed to allow you to purchase and apply RUP products. The mickeymouse equipment some people think is ok is why farmers catch so much flak about the use of herbicides. Either do it right or hire a licensed applicator.

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Rick

02-26-2004 15:04:29




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 Re: Agitator for spray tank? in reply to Paul, 02-26-2004 12:15:11  
YES; you either need bypass back in tank or agitate fitting,strongly suggest latter



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Roy in UK

02-26-2004 14:57:42




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 Re: Agitator for spray tank? in reply to Paul, 02-26-2004 12:15:11  
I cannot quite make out if the spray tank is plastic or metal. You should never put glyphosate in a metal tank.



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Halbert

02-26-2004 14:47:43




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 Re: Agitator for spray tank? in reply to Paul, 02-26-2004 12:15:11  
As someone else suggested, use a regulator and a bypass system. At least have a hose discharging the bypass solution back into the tank, if you have one of the agitator/nozzle things at the end of the hose so much better but probably not necessary. Be sure you have a strainer in the suction and maybe one in the dicscharge or else strainers in all 6 nozzles. Look up the GPM of each nozzle at the pressure you will be operating, say 20 psi. If it is say 0.3 gpm times 6 nozzles, you will need 1.8 gpm just for the nozzles, that will leave about 1 gmp for the bypass which isn't much but it will help. Be sure you have the boom the correct height above the ground for the nozzle types and spacings you are using. With flat fan tapered nozzles you want about 50% overlap, but all these specs you can look up in the Spraying Systems handbook.

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greenbeanman

02-26-2004 14:19:18




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 Re: Agitator for spray tank? in reply to Paul, 02-26-2004 12:15:11  
To apply the proper amount of spray concentrate you need to match speed, size of nozzle tips, pressure, etc.

Adjusting pressure is one of the simplest ways of making minor adjustments in spray volume. Since your pump may put out more or less that the stated rating, an adjustable pressure valve with a by-pass is normally used in the piping system. A by-pass line returns the unused, over pressure portion of the spray to the tank. On the end of this line is usually a device that forces the spray in different directions causing tank agitation or constant mixing of the fluid.

I really doubt that your pump will put out the exact rating from full tank to empty tank. It would take great precision to match the six spray tips to the exact output of the pump. I would recommend a by-pass system as stated.

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