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Jack

02-23-2004 10:44:26

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I've only used drawbar type implements before and need advice on hooking up AC implements.

I have a 2 bottom AC plow (not snap coupler type) that attaches to the drawbar at two points and to the lift arms. Currently my WD45 has the drawbar with swayblock in place. I can hook up the plow OK this way, but the swayblock prevents using the lift arms to raise and lower the plow. Do I remove or alter the sway block? Will the lift arms alone provide enough sway control?

I also have an AC subsoiler that it a quick connect type. I can hook that up OK by removing the drawbar and sway block, but do I need sway control? The subsoiler also has a receiver for connecting it to the drawbar too. Is this an either-or hookup or do I need both?

Any advice will be appreciated!!! (And yes, I've ordered a 3 point kit for my other stuff, but still have to use the AC implments!)

Thanks,

Jack McG

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INCase

02-26-2004 06:28:14

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Re: Hooking up Allis Chalmers implements in reply to Jack, 02-23-2004 10:44:26

Neighbor back home had an earlier wd w/pin type hitch and a later wd and wd45 and D17 w/snap coupler system. A different neighbor had some of the same implements (AC) but were original AC 3-pt.. if you have a snap coupler (you didn't say that for sure) tractor and and some non-snap coupler implements you may want to look at converting them all to snap or 3pt to make life easier, especially if you are getting a 3pt conversion kit anyway. If I remember right the snap yoke was a separate piece (on some things anyway) that could be unbolted ?? 3pt stuff would be more univeral and easier to sell/trade later... unless you want to keep "original" antique parts... more than 2cents... good luck

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Rick

02-26-2004 04:13:20

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Re: Hooking up Allis Chalmers implements in reply to Jack, 02-23-2004 10:44:26

Jack; I came across yesterday a front mount 2row cultivator for Ac wd45. It is complete with rear gang and everything. Came off wide front unit. I really hate to cut it up. Just wondered maybe you would be interested. Rick

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JMS/MN

02-23-2004 20:57:22

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Re: Hooking up Allis Chalmers implements in reply to Jack, 02-23-2004 10:44:26

Your terminology is extremely confusing. There is no such thing as a sway block on the AC mounting system, or sway control, whether it is the early WD or the Snap-Coupler system used on the WD45. There is no AC plow that attaches to the drawbar at two points, as well as the lift arms. All WD45 tractors came equipped with the Snap-Coupler. The Snap-Coupler is the bell-shaped device underneath the tractor, below the pto shaft, which the drawbar hooks in to, as well as the plow, etc. The lift arms have spring-loaded latches attached to them to connect the mounted plow. The same system is used to attach the subsoiler attachment. There is no need to remove the pto shaft to use the plow, nor any other Snap-Coupler machine that I know of. It seems like you need to get OPERATOR manuals for what you want to attach to your tractor. They show how to mount and use the implements that you have. If you are new to all of this, the manufacturer's books regarding the implements are essential to learn how to use them.

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Butch

02-25-2004 10:29:16

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Re: Re: Hooking up Allis Chalmers implements in reply to JMS/MN, 02-23-2004 20:57:22

I hate typewriter jousting but if there was never a drawbar attached plow then I have an operators manual for an A-C product that was never produced and my eyes were decieving me when I saw one working at a show last summer. There are drawbar attached plows. You moved the bail and the rear portion of the draw bar and then bolted the plow tongue to the forward portion of the drawbar and it lifted with the lift arms. The type plow was the first offered for the WD tractor and was known as the model WD pickup plow. This plow predated the pin hitch plow with predated the snap coupler plow. In my mnaual (for an implement that was never produced :o),) It recomends that the PTO be removed do to possible interferance with the PTO shaft and carrier bearing. You are also incorrect in that not all WD-45 tractors were sold new with snap couplers. The snap coupler and lift latch system was introduced after the WD-45 was in production. All of this is well documented information sorry to say. You are correct that the guy needs some manuals, a fact I neglected to point out but could be the answer for almost any question asked.

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Butch

02-23-2004 12:38:09

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Re: Hooking up Allis Chalmers implements in reply to Jack, 02-23-2004 10:44:26

The A-C hitch had three versions, drawbar attached, pin hitch, and snap coupler, I am not sure which you are calling quick hitch, pin or snap coupler but if you are mixing and matching pull points and lift types make sure that your plow is in the correct positon fore and aft before you try to use it. When the plow is attached the lift links should be close to vertical. What you refer to as a sway block is commonly known as the drawbar bail and yes it must be removed for the plow, subsoiler or any other like attached euipment. In some cases with the older drawbar attached plows you also had to remove the PTO rear bearing and shaft so things would clear on the hitch so be watchfull of the clearance before you bang the lift lever to the raise position and bend the shaft.

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