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Wheel hay rake or bar

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RichG

02-22-2004 08:19:42




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I currently have a new holland bar rake that works great but I have been looking at the V-rakes, 8 or 10 wheel. What are the pros and cons of these rakes and is it worth the investment. I am currently cutting 80 acres of hay but it might increase to 120 by spring. I put up about 6k of squares and the rest in rounds.
Any input will be appreciated.




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Rick

02-23-2004 17:29:17




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 Re: Wheel hay rake or bar in reply to RichG, 02-22-2004 08:19:42  
Single Inline wheel rake. nothing else needs to be said. You must set them right and don't let them run on the ground any more than need. This will solve the other comment about debris from horse people. Thats all I sell too. They also will do much better in the finer stuff as far as raking clean to me. I have bar rakes for sale since going to wheel rakes if anyone interested. Will be posting next week in classifieds.

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Hay Dr

02-22-2004 19:35:49




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 Re: Wheel hay rake or bar in reply to RichG, 02-22-2004 08:19:42  
For square balers you might want to keep the NH bar rake unless you have a larger capacity square baler. The great thing about the V-Rake with a round baler is you can set the width to the same width of the baler and not have to weave the round baler to produce a uniform bale. The V rake will cut you raking time down by 60% but not every square baler can take the large windrows of a V Rake. If you want to rake for both a square baler and a round baler and have a 9' or smaller mower, the 8 wheel rake it the one for you. Some 10 Wheel rakes like the CCM wheel rake have the end wheel that can fold up on each side to make it a smaller 8 wheel rake when you want to make a smaller windrow in heavy crop hay.
Rotary rakes are great rakes but they are expensive and higher maintenance than bar and wheel rakes.

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Yo

02-23-2004 04:34:36




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 Re: Re: Wheel hay rake or bar in reply to Hay Dr, 02-22-2004 19:35:49  
I would very much dispute the "higher maintenance" comment you made. When we had our IH 30 wheelrake we were constantly replacing teeth on it and anywhere that the tractor ran over the hay the wheels would climb over the hay. You coldn't rake corners with the wheel rake. Since 1987 the only repair we have made on our Deutz Allis rotary has been to replace one broken tooth. This rake has rakes at least 6000 acres. Also, you can't rake straw with a wheel rake as they tend to put a lot of dirt in the windrow.

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Hay Dr

02-23-2004 05:34:33




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 Re: Re: Re: Wheel hay rake or bar in reply to Yo, 02-23-2004 04:34:36  
We started selling rotary rakes in 1982 and very well understand the advantages of rotary rakes. By in large the rotary rakes now are used with alfalfa and other legume crops. If you have rough ground and or rocks it can cause a farmer to have to purchase many rake tines and tires and spindles. They do make a nice fluffy windrow and are a pleasure to bale behind. No every operator may have the skills that you have so they look to bar rakes and wheel rakes.
Many people think about the wheel rakes as if they were the old 3 point rakes from the 1960's. The carted V-Rakes when set properly will rake most any crop except 7' sudan grass. If a wheel rake is putting dirt on the hay it has too much downward pressure and should be adjusted to float having only 3-5 tines contacting the ground on any one individual wheel.

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Tim(nj)

02-23-2004 13:46:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Wheel hay rake or bar in reply to Hay Dr, 02-23-2004 05:34:33  
In dry conditions, in wheat stubble, a V-wheel rake will still throw dirt (as dust) in the straw, even if the pressure is adjusted as you say. Been there, done that.



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tom

02-22-2004 18:52:04




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 Re: Wheel hay rake or bar in reply to RichG, 02-22-2004 08:19:42  
If you go with large wheel rake,you can no longer use small tractor like ford 8n. Because you need hydraulics to run rake.



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Yo

02-22-2004 16:42:27




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 Re: Wheel hay rake or bar in reply to RichG, 02-22-2004 08:19:42  
If you want to make rope get a wheel rake, if you want to make hay buy a rotary rake, they are infitely superior



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signman

02-22-2004 15:23:28




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 Re: Wheel hay rake or bar in reply to RichG, 02-22-2004 08:19:42  
I tend to agree with the posts here. It really comes to what you are raking and the size windrow you need. we cut with a 9' haybine and use a 12 wheel V rake with a 13th wheel in the center. We bale with a Vermeer 605XL that likes big windrows. In 9' windrows it is a tight squeeze to get into only 2 swaths. Works perfect on 3 windrows. For much of our baling we rake 2 windrows together which will lay them side by side for best drying. Then Come back with the rake spread out wide and put 2 of of the doubles together. Then we can really bale hay. Timely raking sure cuts down on leaf loss and baler loss. The biggest mistake I've seen for raking thin hay is running the rake to straight with the windrow. Put the angle out to 60-75 degreees and the wheels turn slower and pick up fine hay better.

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Cliff Neubauer

02-22-2004 13:51:23




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 Re: Wheel hay rake or bar in reply to RichG, 02-22-2004 08:19:42  
How well you will like the V rake will depend on what kind of rake it is and how you are going to use it. One of our neighbor's have a cheap 8 wheel V rake that is two 3pt rakes on a cart that we have used with mixed results. The biggest thing we didn't like about it is since we use a 9' mower we would like to throw 3 windrows together but the V rake wouldn't turn the center windrow, alot of the newer V rakes have center wheels which should solve that problem. Also on a windy day the two center wheels will wrap up with hay and make a mess. Personally I would either buy a 10 wheel inline rake, one of the newer Y style rakes (like a V rake but one side has more wheels so even the center gets raked) or buy another bar rake and a tandem hitch. We have used wheel rakes for 30 years but are looking to buy a pair of bar rakes because in short alfalfa the wheel rakes will not rake as clean as a bar rake will.

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Bill Smith

02-22-2004 12:29:59




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 Re: Wheel hay rake or bar in reply to RichG, 02-22-2004 08:19:42  
Seems like everybody that I have talked to that made the change said it took awhile to get use to. Did poor job of raking untill they got onto it. Had to go a certian speed, ext. to get it to work right. My little twine tied sqaure baler likes small windrows and slow speed. Doesn't bale worth a dang if windrows are to big. Not sure how small of windrows you can make with a wheel rake.



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Tim(nj)

02-22-2004 08:58:42




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 Re: Wheel hay rake or bar in reply to RichG, 02-22-2004 08:19:42  
I used to use a wheel rake for small-squared horse hay. Bad idea. The wheel rake picked up every little bit of trash in the field besides the hay. The buyers noticed every little bit of it, and did they complain! For round baling or non-horse customers, you're fine.



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