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splitting planter rows???

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rob

02-09-2004 14:57:35




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I am considering useing my planter to no-till soybeans, I don't have a no-till drill, but I dont want 30" rows either. Is there an easy way to double plant and use 15" rows? Just a passing thought, any suggestions out there?




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JJ

02-10-2004 09:33:56




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 Re: splitting planter rows??? in reply to rob, 02-09-2004 14:57:35  
We just bought a new used corn planter set up for no-till. I've seen this set up quite often where the no-till planter is equipped with extra planting units mounted to split the wide rows. Our 6x30 corn planter in effect is also an 11x15 bean planter. Capable to no-till both crops or can be used conventional for both beans and corn. Set up for liquid fertilizer, going to experiment with using liquid fert. when planting beans to "side dress" them as opposed to making an extra trip around the field spreading dry fertilizer.

JJ
north central ohio

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Greywolf

02-11-2004 04:07:21




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 Re: Re: splitting planter rows??? in reply to JJ, 02-10-2004 09:33:56  
There might be a benefit seen however, test studies have shown the salts in the P and K need about 90 days to breakdown to be usable for the bean plant. That puts the plant too mature for full benefit.

About 4 years before the "N" studies came out showing a possible yield increase applied at mid season we were applying about 50 units at planting to help corn stalk decomposition (which didn't help). We saw no yield increase and even got into an argument with the fert dealer over the issue (no longer use him anymore).

What has worked well for my operation is a fall application of 7-25-60 broadcast. Over the last 5 years (last year excluded) bean yields have been about 7-10 bushel over the previous 10 year average.

When I worked in the commercial fertilizer industry, one farmer had fall plow down for corn, then switched to beans. Although it wasn't cost feasible of the rate applied, was by far the best bean crop in the area.

Work close with your dealer and soil samples on "starter" for beans. And be careful using the in row method of application. Beans can't handle the direct fertilizer like corn can.

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Brian

02-10-2004 07:57:08




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 Re: splitting planter rows??? in reply to rob, 02-09-2004 14:57:35  
Years ago I got a farming mag that showed a farmer using a diamond pattern for planting beans with good results. Around here if they are not in no-til the bean drills have gone done the road. If you figure your time 30" rows will yield well enoough and sometimes out yield narrow rows in conventional tillage.



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kyhayman

02-10-2004 06:54:12




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 Re: splitting planter rows??? in reply to rob, 02-09-2004 14:57:35  
I tried it a few years ago with a 494 Deere set on 38's. It worked ok, just slow and I had definite compaction issues, probably lost 10 bu an acre over my wide rows. When I went to notil I changed to 30's and beans did well, at drill spacings I lost yield. Tried a few at 14's (taped over every other drop in the drill). That's what I use now since I sold all my corn equip I didnt have need of the planter, just rent a drill.

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agman

02-09-2004 19:11:11




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 Re: splitting planter rows??? in reply to rob, 02-09-2004 14:57:35  
don't waste your time, year in year out, 30" yield almost the same as 15" and 7.5", with less seed, and in your case less fuel and equipment wear. Just use a bushy variety to get a good canopy. Soybeans are their own worst weed when seeded to heavy



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Cliff Neubauer

02-09-2004 15:51:01




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 Re: splitting planter rows??? in reply to rob, 02-09-2004 14:57:35  
We did it for a couple of years with a 4 row 36" JD 7000 planter before we bought a no-till drill and it worked pretty good but it was very slow. If you can slide the drawbar on your tractor 7.5" to one side so when you come back on the second pass you can drive in the same tire tracks instead of driving over a row of beans you just planted (must drive the opposite direction on the second pass). It worked well enough for us that after two years we bought a no-till drill with planter units on 15" spacings.

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Indydirtfarmer

02-09-2004 15:09:25




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 Re: splitting planter rows??? in reply to rob, 02-09-2004 14:57:35  
Now mind you that I'm not recomending this, but I have a neighbor that uses his 4 row, 30" planter to plant 15" beans. He merely makes a pass, then moves over half a row, and makes a second. He has his row markers set to lay out the rows. The first pass, the row marker marks the next row, plus 15". The return pass has the row marker set to follow the one just laid down. Make any sense? It's not the fastest way in the world. He only plants about 40 acres. I read an article in "The Indiana Prarie Farmer" last month, about a father and 2 sons that take old John Deere 7000 planters, and make 7 row, split-row planters. I'm thinking about the same set-up, only in an 11 row configuration. John

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