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O.T. Bee Swarms

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Ol Chief

02-08-2004 17:31:32




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I have two farms in Texas.One farm, at almost any time has one or two swarms looking for a place to call home becuse they seem to move very frequently.They do not seem to be Africanised bees because I have been veryy close to them many times but never was attacked.How can I contain these little fellows and move them to my other farm which has 900 peach trees to pollinate.Any advice will help a lot.Thanx. J. Cooney

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Bill Smith

02-09-2004 10:29:36




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 Re: O.T. Bee Swarms in reply to Ol Chief, 02-08-2004 17:31:32  
Honey bee's are very interesting to observe and study. I live in Kansas and have a hive in the outside wall of my house. I have completely gotten rid of them one time, but anther hive moved back in. I sort of just gave up and the bee's are just there. Anyways I have gotten to odserve and learn alot about them. They seem to hatch and release a new swarm of bee's every May or June. If really early, they might do it over and release another one in late June or so. You can always tell when they are going to swarm because there will be noticeably more bees buzzing around just outside the hive. The hive has outgrown itself and the old bees are trying to run off the new hive. The new hive will eventually leave even if it hasn't found a home yet. One time I noticed that the new hive had congragated up on a bush. Had the limb pulled over to the ground. I quikly put a box together and put it under the hive. I hit the limb of the bush with a stick and all the bee's fell off on the box. Just left them be and they just moved right into that box. Waited untill it was really cold that next winter, and I relocated them without even one bee coming out of the box. If bee scouts have found a place, they will likely leave the original hive and move right into the new place. If you had some boxes out, they will likely move in on there own. Especially if there is already honey and wax in the box. Bee's are really neat, they only seem to be active outside the hive during daylight hours and when it is not raining. The work that they do is tremendous. Do some research and I will gaurantee that you will learn alot and find it very interesting.

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JC

02-09-2004 08:24:12




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 Re: O.T. Bee Swarms in reply to Ol Chief, 02-08-2004 17:31:32  
You might call in a beekeeper to handle this, but if you wish to do it yourself, I will give you some background and procedure.

Swarms are caused when a colony becomes well established and is over populated. The queen lays several eggs that the workers prepare with royal jelly and several new queens are hatched.
One or more of the queens then leave and takes a sizable group with them. The bees that are swarming are very docile mainly because they are stuffed with honey for their migration. Swarming bees seldom are aggrerssive.

The main body stays close to their queen and scouts are sent out to find a new home.
The scouts return and communicate the direction and distance of the new home by body movements.
Then the queen and all of her hord fly there and establish residency. The easiest ways to catch a swarm is to lure the scouts into a beehive that full of frames with comb having a couple of frames that are full of honey capped by wax.
It is hard to resist a ready made home with a free meal!

The way I always did it though was to follow the swarm and wait for them to land and bunch around the queen. Using a soft brush with gentle strokes simply sweep the bees into a box. Have a hive ready to place at that spot and open the top and gently dump the bees into the new hive and close the top. They will stay and the stragglers will find their way.

Just make sure you scoop up the main body of bees as it will certainly contain the queen.

I had over 1500 colonies that I helped work for several years. Bees are fascinating creatures.

To be on the safe side ,I would wear bee protection, but swarming bees are the among safest to work. Just work slow and gentle and you'll be alright.

Hope this helped!

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Hugh MacKay

02-09-2004 09:10:47




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 Re: Re: O.T. Bee Swarms in reply to JC, 02-09-2004 08:24:12  
JC: You bring back more than a couple of memories. I had a science teacher in high school. He rented an old farm house from my dad to use as his home base for his bee keeping business and a place for extracting honey. I used to marvel at him establishing new colonies. All we did at that farm stead was house replacment dairy heifers during the winter months. He used to winter his bees on south side of barn. He was there for about ten years, until he had a stroke and had to give up the bees. We missed them around alfalfa after they were gone. He always encouraged me to take on his bees, said he would show me the ropes. I thought I was too busy, later I was sorry for that decission.

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JC

02-09-2004 10:14:39




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 Re: Re: Re: O.T. Bee Swarms in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-09-2004 09:10:47  
It's never too late to learn! Bee keeping is a relaxing and wonderful hobby. The social structure and work ethic of honey bees is fascinating.
As a business, chemical spraying, bee parasites and foreign competition has really hurt.
There are many good books out there and quite a few old coots that remember the "art". I would try it if interested. Only a short time until new colonies will be established!

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Hugh MacKay

02-09-2004 16:51:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: O.T. Bee Swarms in reply to JC, 02-09-2004 10:14:39  
JC: At 62 I seem to have developed a severe reaction to bee stings. It started about 4 years ago, and seems to be getting worse as time goes on. I can't think of the name just now but it has become necessary for me to carry those little pink pills all summer. Now I frequently go where bees are busy, my good wife and I have about an acre garden. So as much as the little creatures capture my interest, I think I will just pass on them.

I plant buckwheat every year, and there is a commercial bee keeper about 1 mile from me. One sunny summer morning my wife and I were awakened at about 5:15 am by the sound of bees. I went to investigate. I had about 1.5 acres of buckwheat, and I judge there were probably close to 50 bees to the square foot. The sound of it also brought some neighbors, to investigate. The bees sure love the nectar from buckwheat. The beekeeper tells me he doesn't like the honey from buckwheat. It has an off flavour. He will just have to tolerate the flavour, as I have never seen a better way to crowd weeds out, than buckwheat. And a handsome green manure crop as well.

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JC

02-09-2004 17:55:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: O.T. Bee Swarms in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-09-2004 16:51:42  
Buckwheat is a great crop in certain areas. Buckwheat honey is more bitter than clover or alfalfa blossum honey.
The Buckwheat honey is a good industrial honey for honey mustard, baking and in breakfast cereal production.
Dogwood honey, now that has a twang!



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Hugh MacKay

02-09-2004 18:44:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: O.T. Bee Swarms in reply to JC, 02-09-2004 17:55:30  
JC: The bee keeper I was dealing with sold 90% of his honey in small tubs for direct consumer use. He did always grumble about the buckwheat growers. That Dogwood honey, now that is one I never experienced. I grew up on the east coast of Canada and one of the favourite consumer honey's was from Golden Rod. Farm land in that part of the world falling into non productive agriculture will go solid Golden Rod within two years of non ag use.

One of the the big honey makers there is Low Bush Blueberries, and the bees never leave even when harvesting the berries. I have operated blueberry harvesters some, and it would be nice to switch a/c on, close the cab up and forget the bees. However there is a need to communicate with the guy stacking boxes of blueberries on behind. Those bees would get in the cab, and every once in awhile you would see and operator opening the doors of the tractor and shooing the bees out with his baseball cap. I never was very successful at this. The guy who owned this operation could wave his cap like a wild man and never get stung. My approach had to be very graceful, might even say please.

The people who worked in the receiving and shipping sheds for blueberries actually had the worst time with the bees. The bees seem to love the fresh harvested blueberries.

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JC

02-09-2004 21:35:21




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: O.T. Bee Swarms in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-09-2004 18:44:32  
Goldenrod honey is good. Tastes earthy.
Great story about the harvest, to keep this forum
from becoming "bee central", what kind of implement and tractor did you use for harvesting blueberries?



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Hugh MacKay

02-10-2004 03:19:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: O.T. Bee Swarms in reply to JC, 02-09-2004 21:35:21  
JC: This Low Bush Blueberry industry had it's beginnings in Nova Scotia, New Brunswick and in the State of Maine in the early 1950's. Up to that time it had been a plant that locals harvested berries from on small patches. It was noticed these little plants were overtaking all other vegetation on marginial abandoned farmland. From there some enterprising men started working on how to get this plant to multiply.

From it's humble beginnings came a tool known as the blueberry hand rake, which looked like nothing more than your average dust pan with teeth spaced about 1/8" apart and about 6" long. This device had a handle on top, and the user would comb these teeth through the low blueberry plants allowing the berries to fall back into the dust pan portion. After a couple scoupes the user would dump these into a bucket.

With progress came the tractor mounted Blueberry Harvester. Many attempts were made on the development of this. The most sucessful to date is mounted on a 4x4 tractor. It is a cylinder device that combs through the plants as the tractor moves throught the field at speeds of 1 mph. The cylinder is mounted on the side of a 40 to 50 hp 4x4 tractor much like a side mount mower. A conveyor goes through the center of the cylinder taking the berries to a second conveyor running between the rear wheel and housing of tractor to a platform mounted on the 3 point hitch. At the point on behind where berries fall off the conveyor there is a squirel cage type blower which blows out most of the leaves, as the berries fall into 20 lb. plastic stackable boxes. The 50 hp tractors can go to about 60 - 20 lb. boxes before unloading to a truck. Some of these units have been mounted on larger tractors for use on steep slopes. The harvesting unit only takes a swath of 3.5 feet and you travel the field as you would mowing a hayfield. There has been a move lately to mount two of these units on one side of 100+hp tractors. They still use 4x4 and set rear wheel out quite wide on tread. One harvesting unit is mounted ahead of rear tire, just so front tire clears unharvested berries. The second unit is mounted beside the rear wheel and its conveyor goes to platform. In a good crop of berries it takes one guy behind per unit to handle the boxes of berries. He has to be a quite rugged individual.

A picture is worth a thousand words. The developer of this harvester was Doug Bragg Enterprises, type that in will take you to their home page. If you wish to read a bit more about the development of this crop, type in Nova Scotia Low Bush Blueberry. There is tons of info there. E mail me if you have questions.

I was in my late fifties when asked to run one of these harvesters. I had done just about every job known on tractors 20 hp to 150 hp. Looking back over the years I would have to say mold board plowing, corn planting and blueberry harvester have been my three favourite jobs with a farm tractor. The blueberry harvester although you only travel 1 mph, never got boring. The ground speed of that cylinder had to be kept slightly faster than ground speed of tractor. This process is all computerized, but it does require monotoring and making adjustments. A careless operator could waste valuable berries. This industry has taken over from Potatoes in Atlantic Canada as the most valuable farm gate crop. And 10 years ago it was called the lowly bluederry.

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JC

02-10-2004 07:28:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: O.T. Bee Swarm in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-10-2004 03:19:09  
Very interesting! It never ceases to amaze me, the amount of knowledge that one can attain from this web site!
I new nothing about harveting blueberries, now I have a fair idea how it is done.
Just think, this all started with a humble honey bee!



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Hugh MacKay

02-10-2004 07:58:11




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: O.T. Bee S in reply to JC, 02-10-2004 07:28:57  
JC: If you go to the Nova Scotia and Bragg home pages I mentioned there is reams of info. Another you might look at is Oxford Frozen Foods, they have processing plants in both Nova Scotia and Maine. And all this got started by families that made some money in the lumber industry, and were looking for a place to reinvest their money.

One big plus with this crop, it always has a sod. You can't plow it with anything. Bees have played a very big roll in this industry from day one. Most of these guys have become bee keepers out of necessity. I suspect there is not big honey yield from blueberries, but it does fit well with other crops in maintaining bees.

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Ron

02-09-2004 07:21:26




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 Re: O.T. Bee Swarms in reply to Ol Chief, 02-08-2004 17:31:32  
Usually, they swarm when the hive has out-grown the hive... They need a new one, to settle into....not sure, but I think they will then raise a new Queen... Hot weather will make this happen more often, and african-ized bees will swarm more often... Clooney, E-mail " [email protected]".. he is a friend who is the local bee inspector, and he can tell you a lot more than I can..!!



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old

02-08-2004 18:01:31




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 Re: O.T. Bee Swarms in reply to Ol Chief, 02-08-2004 17:31:32  
Clooney Maybe I can help you for once, you need a bee suit just to be safe and do it right. You also need a few hive bodys, a smoker is also nice and you also need foudaiton frames for the hive bodys. Clooney if you want to make it simple drop me an e-mail and I'll tell you much more. I raised bee years ago and may even still have some of the stuff some where out in one of the buildings. Well looks like I'll have to do it the hard way. [email protected]

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Tim(nj)

02-08-2004 17:48:27




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 Re: O.T. Bee Swarms in reply to Ol Chief, 02-08-2004 17:31:32  
My grandfather just used to set up a wooden hutch made specifically for them. If the queen went in and stayed, the hive stayed with the hutch no matter where it went. He'd load the whole thing on the pickup and take them where-ever. Usually the bees find the hutch better than anything natural in the area.



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Ol Chief

02-10-2004 18:26:24




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 Re: Re: O.T. Bee Swarms in reply to Tim(nj), 02-08-2004 17:48:27  
Thanks to all of you.I just pass this on as an observation.One of my farms is just north of Katy ,Texas.Last week during a warm spell I had an open bag of cattle range cubes on my truck .I guess lots of you are familiar with this feed.I was busy making fence and when I returned to my truck,there were a couple dozen bees after the molasses in the cubes.By afternoon there must have been a hundred or more working on those cubes.Same thing next day until the temperature dropped and drove them home.Having read your many replys I am wondering if I might encourage them into a box by this method? Opinions?Possibly enough to form a new colony.There is and has been a large colony under my trailer for over a year.I suspect they are also up in the walls.When it is cold I can see Hundreds of bees clinging to the hive they built, suspended from the floor frame and hanging down a foot or more. Also see fresh white combs on the ground some times possibly broken off by night critters raids.

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