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jim

02-08-2004 15:49:58




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just wondering if anyone has used preservatives such as New Holland's on small square bales of timothy/alfalfa for the horse trade. If so ,were you pleased with the results , what was the moisture level you baled at , any recommendations ??? In the past, I've applied ordinary salt with an insecticide unit attached to my NH 268 with good results.




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jim

02-09-2004 14:57:55




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 Re: Hay Preservatives in reply to jim, 02-08-2004 15:49:58  
Thanks for the info fellows. I'm going to check into the products and applicators at this winter's remaining farm shows. By the way , my trucker had to fill out export permits for the first time in order to gain entry to the U.S. to-day for hay destined for Florida. Guess Bush thinks we're hiding terrorists in those bales!! If it's not the weather , it's the politicans (weather is more predictable).

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Florida importing hay?Har

02-09-2004 19:52:11




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 Re: Re: Hay Preservatives in reply to jim, 02-09-2004 14:57:55  
What kind of hay are you importing from out of country to Florida that would be worth the fuel to truck and the labor?I have over 2000 large round bales and 4800 square bales in the barns 600 miles away.If you got a market let me know.You can broker the deal and make way more than hauling your own.



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jim

02-10-2004 06:25:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Hay Preservatives in reply to Florida importing hay?Har, 02-09-2004 19:52:11  
We don't own trucks. We export hay from Ontario (timothy/alfalfa) in refrigerated vans with a back-haul of fruit and veggies. Gives the trucker paying loads both ways.



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Tim(nj)

02-10-2004 17:08:33




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Hay Preservatives in reply to jim, 02-10-2004 06:25:52  
There's a guy here in New Jersey that does that, too. Timothy grass will not grow in the south, so I am told. According to this trucker, there are horsey people in Florida that want to feed nothing but timothy, and they are willing to pay $8.00 a bale for it. So he buys here for $2.75, and goes down with a load of 450 bales, comes back with frozen vegetables.



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kyhayman

02-09-2004 03:36:45




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 Re: Hay Preservatives in reply to jim, 02-08-2004 15:49:58  
I've used propionic acid and been pleased with the results. Some of my customers wont consider treated hay and some only want treated hay. As far as moisture content, I've gone up to 30% (which is to the point my baler wont consistantly tie). Also, at 30% the treatment cost is pretty steep. I've used a lot of different brands Southern States, Harvest Tec, and now Altech. They all do about as well and all run about $1.00 a pound. Biggest problem I had was keeping my acid rate right. Decided to spend a few extra $$ and buy a baler mounted monitor this spring.

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Larry NE IL

02-09-2004 21:18:26




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 Re: Re: Hay Preservatives in reply to kyhayman, 02-09-2004 03:36:45  
Could you post or e-mail me as to who makes the moisture moniters?, I'd like to look into one myself. Thanx, Larry NE IL



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kyhayman

02-10-2004 03:42:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Hay Preservatives in reply to Larry NE IL, 02-09-2004 21:18:26  
I've used Farmtec (or Farmtex) and just bought a Delmorst. Right now a couple on ebay (that's where I got mine). I got both a hand held and baler mounted units.

The ebay item number is 2594465191, multiple testers from this seller, act fast, only a couple of days left (and I am NOT the seller). Nasco has them in their catalog also as does Gemplers.



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David in MD

02-09-2004 14:25:04




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 Re: Re: Hay Preservatives in reply to kyhayman, 02-09-2004 03:36:45  
I used proprionic acid for the fist time this past season and had good luck with it. If it wasn't for the preservative I probably wouldn't have made any good hay as the weather was lousy for hay. I've got a no frills Paul B. Zimmerman applicator $274 which applies based on pressure and nozzle size. I use Case IH Plus 30 preservative which Hoober Equipment sells bulk for $0.83 per pound. There is a point where the hay is just too wet so I lost some. I'll be adding a Delmhorst moisture meter to may baler this spring.

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Mike

02-09-2004 16:44:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Hay Preservatives in reply to David in MD, 02-09-2004 14:25:04  
David in MD,
How do you like the Paul B. applicatior system? I live about 5 minutes away from his shop and I was thinking about buying one of his systems. Does he just use a 12 volt pump and an on/off switch? How are his directions as far as calibrating the amount of acid to the moisture content? His system is alot cheaper than the price of a manually controlled system sold through my CASE/IH dealer.

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David in MD

02-10-2004 07:51:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Hay Preservatives in reply to Mike, 02-09-2004 16:44:10  
It's basic, just a tank, 12v pump, pressure regulator, pressure guage, on/off switch and wires, 2 nozzle bodies, and 3 sizes of nozzles. There is no mounting hardware. There is a calibration chart but it isn't much help. I had to make the tank mount which I put behind the twine box as I didn't want the preservative anywhere above the knotters. I also mounted the nozzles above the pickup on a piece of track made for hanging electrical or plumbing fixtures so that it would be adjustable. I'm sure this system isn't near as nice as the NH but it wasn't $800 and I don't have $500 of my time or materials in mounting it. I did have to buy 2 additional 110067 nozzles to lower the application rate while keeping the pressure up. When I wear this one out or upgrade to a better baler I might consider the Harvestec system as I'm sold on preservative now. If you go that way David Fink of www.baleinabag.com sells Harvestec cheaper than NH. Despite what they say preservative does cause surface rust so I hose may baler down and run a bale of straw through it after each use.

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