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605H bailer ? diff-HP

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Anthony

02-08-2004 12:29:55




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I just bought a 605H baler & the book advises useing a 60-70 HP tractor I have a JD 4230 around 100HP. Hate to have to buy another tractor any advise would be appricated,cutting blue stem coastal south of Austin Texas how close do you set the pickup teeth to the starter roller?




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Hay Dr

02-08-2004 18:48:58




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 Re: 605H bailer ? diff-HP in reply to Anthony, 02-08-2004 12:29:55  
Pull the throttle back and bale hay. We sold 3 605H's with in 2 miles of the shop and they were pulled by a MF 1100, IH 966,& JD 4040. All these balers saw action as custom balers and still to this day are cranking out bales for their 2nd and 3rd owners. Vermeer balers are built to last, most of the other off brand balers of that era have been scrapped.



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Anthony

02-09-2004 04:29:26




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 Re: Re: 605H bailer ? diff-HP in reply to Hay Dr, 02-08-2004 18:48:58  
Thanks for the information on my 605H baler Anthony!!! Hope the bales come out lookin as good as the Hay man that has been cutting my field.Nice round bales!!!



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JMS/MN

02-08-2004 20:00:57




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 Re: Re: 605H bailer ? diff-HP in reply to Hay Dr, 02-08-2004 18:48:58  
Why pull the throttle back? PTO machines are built to run at rated speed of the pto. Doesn't matter how many hp are in front.



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signman

02-10-2004 04:42:27




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 Re: Re: Re: 605H bailer ? diff-HP in reply to JMS/MN, 02-08-2004 20:00:57  
The question of pulling back the throttle to bale with a round baler is not one of the machine being able to handle it. It is at what speed is produces the best bale. To much rpm will increase shattering and leaf loss in dry hay. Also to start a bale with this model baler is far easier at a lower rpm. with having baled over 100,000 bales with vermeer balers I can say that 95 percent were at the half to three quarter throttle range.

You will also increase chain, sprocket and belt life by more than double with slower rpm. remember that 15' of # 80 chain and its sprockets can be worn out on a yearly basis. Cut back on the thropttle and you can get an extra 2,000 bales out of them. Along with a higher protein bale because of less leaf loss. Meaning PROFIT

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thurlow

02-10-2004 06:19:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 605H bailer ? diff-HP in reply to signman, 02-10-2004 04:42:27  
I've always run at about 300-400 rpm (PTO)without considering the technical reasons (your reasons make sense) why; just works better for me..... ..



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Hay Dr

02-10-2004 10:18:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 605H bailer ? diff-HP in reply to thurlow, 02-10-2004 06:19:27  
The baler is designed to run at 540 RPM and will make the best bales at that PTO speed. We purchased the first round baler east of the Mississippi River in 1971. We farm over 1000 acres and we have the number to prove it. Yes you might bale at less than 540 RPM's but you are not close to using the capacity of a Vermeer baler. Worry about hurting those off color balers but do not worry about a VERMEER of any age.

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Hay Dr.

02-09-2004 17:15:09




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 Re: Re: Re: 605H bailer ? diff-HP in reply to JMS/MN, 02-08-2004 20:00:57  
Get in some wet hay and you see what HP out front will do.



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signman

02-08-2004 17:01:08




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 Re: 605H bailer ? diff-HP in reply to Anthony, 02-08-2004 12:29:55  
We baled over 30,000 bales with a 605F that was very similar. 70 HP is a minmum that 4230 is just about right if you are on flat ground in the hills it is even a bit small. Remember that if it is taking too much power the hay is probably not dry enough. The teeth should run about 3" from the starter roll. This varies with moisture. Too wet they need to be closer. If your baler has the rubber flaps on the roller turn them over or replace them. Also replace all of yoyr pickup teeth with rubber new rubber mounted ones. They may look okay but if you want it to bale 20-25 bales and hour this will make it work. Don't be surprised when you dump out the 2200# plus bales. Stay out of wet hay. Also do not overfill the baler. your repairs will show you

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Clem

02-08-2004 13:11:50




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 Re: 605H bailer ? diff-HP in reply to Anthony, 02-08-2004 12:29:55  
If you don't have an operator's manual, call Vermeer and they will send you one free. They will want the serial number of the baler. I ran a 605H for years with 80hp.



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old

02-08-2004 13:05:46




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 Re: 605H bailer ? diff-HP in reply to Anthony, 02-08-2004 12:29:55  
I baled last year with a NH850 and the book says 55-75HP I pulled it with a 100HP tractor the only problem I had was the bales where very heavy, seems like because of more HP they where just packed tighter



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JMS/MN

02-08-2004 12:35:24




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 Re: 605H bailer ? diff-HP in reply to Anthony, 02-08-2004 12:29:55  
HP advisory on a machine is always the minimum advised. Doesn't matter if you put 1000hp in front- that's why pto machines have shear pin, slip clutch, or other protection. Make sure the slip clutch is adjusted properly, do not enlarge shear pin size or go to a heavier grade bolt.



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