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Attaching Flat Rack to Wagon???

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Matthew(Mich)

02-06-2004 03:04:25

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Well I just finished building one of three flat wood racks out of oak. Now Being I'm a first at this I was just wondering what the correct way to attach the wood rack to the gears. I was reading in the archives were someone said to bolt the three corners to the runners and wrap a chain around the forth. Is this the correct way?

Matthew

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Loren - Minnesota

02-07-2004 21:42:50

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Re: Attaching Flat Rack to Wagon??? in reply to Matthew(Mich), 02-06-2004 03:04:25

Sorry I'm late getting in on this one, was gone for a few days. But I'm curious that no one in the previous responses mentioned a rocking front bolster on the running gear. With that type of bolster, we bolted all four corners down. Takes the twisting stress out of flat rakes and barge boxes.

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Dale

02-07-2004 08:44:23

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Re: Attaching Flat Rack to Wagon??? in reply to Matthew(Mich), 02-06-2004 03:04:25

Depends on your terrain. If it's fairly flat do whatever you want. We run on a lot of steep sidehills so if the rack starts to tip, we WANT it to come off the wagon so we only lose the rack instead of having the whole wagon twist the tongue and bang the tractor around. We use light loose chains on 2 opposite corners and nothing else, just enough to keep the rack on when it's empty.

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ShepFL

02-06-2004 07:48:33

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Re: Attaching Flat Rack to Wagon??? in reply to Matthew(Mich), 02-06-2004 03:04:25

Matthew -
Send me a email and I can provide wagon plans from University of Wisconsin. It is a PDF file.
ShepFL

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norbert kanzler

02-07-2004 15:00:11

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Re: Re: Attaching Flat Rack to Wagon??? in reply to ShepFL, 02-06-2004 07:48:33

Matthew How do I send you an email? I would like the plans I need to build two kicker waggon racks this spring

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Farmer Jack

02-06-2004 10:02:07

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Re: Re: Attaching Flat Rack to Wagon??? in reply to ShepFL, 02-06-2004 07:48:33

Please send the pdf to me too.

[email protected]

thanks

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kyhayman

02-06-2004 06:50:45

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Re: Attaching Flat Rack to Wagon??? in reply to Matthew(Mich), 02-06-2004 03:04:25

There are as many ways to do this as there things to call these (flat rack, hay rack, wagon, flat wagon, wagon flat, etc). As long as you allow for flex it and it isnt coming off not really a right or wrong way.

On the ones I build for folks I bolt both front corners with 1/2" or 3/4" bolts. On the back I bolt a pc of inch and a half by inch and a half steel angle through each runner on each side of the rear axle and then run a pc of all thread rod under the rear axle. The wagon can not slip in any direction and rear bounce is limited to the distance of the all thread below the axle

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kyhayman

02-06-2004 06:48:45

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Re: Attaching Flat Rack to Wagon??? in reply to Matthew(Mich), 02-06-2004 03:04:25

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Rick

02-06-2004 06:43:01

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Re: Attaching Flat Rack to Wagon??? in reply to Matthew(Mich), 02-06-2004 03:04:25

single bolts in back two bolster arms,front run chains around so it can't flip up but can still work some.

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Nebraska Cowman

02-06-2004 06:10:24

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Re: Attaching Flat Rack to Wagon??? in reply to Matthew(Mich), 02-06-2004 03:04:25

i like to chain opposite corners then bolt on a piece of iron so the rack can not move forward or back. I have seen racks tip over backwards that were not fastened in front.

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bob in KY

02-06-2004 05:30:19

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Re: Attaching Flat Rack to Wagon??? in reply to Matthew(Mich), 02-06-2004 03:04:25

Hey Matthew. I am not sure I understand what you are talking about. Do you already have your floor attached to your trailer and want to know how to put on a rear rack? Or, are you asking how to attach the floor to the running gear?

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Matthew(Mich)

02-06-2004 06:50:23

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Re: Re: Attaching Flat Rack to Wagon??? in reply to bob in KY, 02-06-2004 05:30:19

Bob,

Was wondering how to attach wagon floor to the running gear. I got lots of answers. Thanks for helping though.

matthew

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paul

02-07-2004 08:33:02

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Re: Re: Re: Attaching Flat Rack to Wagon??? in reply to Matthew(Mich), 02-06-2004 06:50:23

Around here all the hay racks are bolted on at both rears, and left free in front. Some people just do chains at a front & rear corner, diaganal.

Can't see the point of bolting 3 corners. You want the rack to be able to flex some so only 2 corners tight, and you don't want to see it tip to the side so when you make 2 corners tigh, one should be the left & one should be the right.

Some of this depends on how long you made it, and how much it is going to stick out past the rear axle. Most of the suggestions will work, depends on exactly how you built it.

I would want it pinned at both rears and free in front, but wouldn't turn my nose up at other ways...

--->Paul

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Hugh MacKay

02-06-2004 05:28:37

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Re: Attaching Flat Rack to Wagon??? in reply to Matthew(Mich), 02-06-2004 03:04:25

Mathew: Front or rear only not both, You might use a loose chain at opposite end just enough so cant hop out of place. New Holland always said front on their self unloading forage wagons, I think that was just to reduce bounce at drive unit end.

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Leroy

02-06-2004 05:27:50

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Re: Attaching Flat Rack to Wagon??? in reply to Matthew(Mich), 02-06-2004 03:04:25

All mine have all been bolted at all corners and if you are going to be staking by hand if the front is not fastened the weight of the back stack in back of the rear axle will cause the front end of bed to raise, had that hapen when custom baleine, not nice when you are on the wagon and sudenly you are thrown aginst a stack of bales with the end of bed on ground

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rustyfarmall

02-06-2004 04:35:32

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Re: Attaching Flat Rack to Wagon??? in reply to Matthew(Mich), 02-06-2004 03:04:25

Attach to the rear only, and unless you are planning on some very rough terrain, don't worry about the front.

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All of u are so confused

02-06-2004 06:52:22

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Re: Re: Attaching Flat Rack to Wagon??? in reply to rustyfarmall, 02-06-2004 04:35:32

bolt the front end at one corner only this will keep the bed from sliding front to rear. put a chain around the rear loose if any of u guys had ever loaded a wagon in the field u would know that loading the wagon if the front with nothing holding it down would dump off the stack like a dump trailer also if it was bolted solid it would rip the bed apart when crossing waterways holes etc. the bed and the gear need to flex separately

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hogwash

02-06-2004 07:32:28

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Re: Re: Re: Attaching Flat Rack to Wagon??? in reply to All of u are so confused, 02-06-2004 06:52:22

Bolt it solid like Leroy said. The rack will flex with the running gear. Forage boxes and gravity wagons are a whole different ballgame.

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Dave H (MI)

02-06-2004 11:20:03

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Attaching Flat Rack to Wagon??? in reply to hogwash, 02-06-2004 07:32:28

I have to agree. I bought all mine and their aren't any chains on them. They are bolted and flex with the rack just fine. Never saw the use in building one with so many available so cheap.
OK....maybe for the fun. IMNTBHO.

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