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What to charge for mowing w/ Haybine?

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Kelly C

01-29-2004 07:31:11




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I have a couple of guys that may want me to save them some time by doing some of thier mowing (hay) With my Haybine. What would be a fair rate to charge? I figured by the acre maybe 10 bucks a acre. Is that to low?




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Adam R

01-31-2004 06:26:40




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 Re: What to charge for mowing w/ Haybine? in reply to Kelly C, 01-29-2004 07:31:11  
Kelly,
I run a 489 NH almost identical to yours with my M and I cut 11 acres of 3rd crop and 30 acres of prarie hay with it last year. Its been a great haybine. I need to do some work on it some new berings belts and springs.
What I found out with it is that I should be running the M in third in order to not burn up belts on the reel this is ture for espicially tall grassey hay, but on alfalfa I can go as slow as I want.
On a good day running in second non stop I can usually cut 5 acres an hr on a gallon to a gallon and a half of fule an hr. Haven't tried the 450 on this haybine but it used four gallons an hr on the SUPER SHOT NEW IDEA HAYBINE!!! or boat anchor. They are now retired to the scrap pile, well at least the one I ran.
I would think that you should be able to run in third most of the time once you have gone over your haybine and found all of the bugs. and I would think around $10 to $12 an acre wouldn't be bad, just figure out your inputs, and make it worth your while, and for long trips I would charge $5 to $7 an hr for road time, driveway to driveway, because you can sometimes loose a lot of time on the road. Adam R

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TP from Central PA

01-30-2004 06:23:09




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 Re: What to charge for mowing w/ Haybine? in reply to Kelly C, 01-29-2004 07:31:11  
If you bought a 9ft'er Kelly, I doubt you'll do any better than 3rd Direct with that 400..... ..... ..In heavy Alfalfa I can't get any better than second with ours(T/A is out which doesn't help). I can't remember what size haybine you bought, but you might make better time with a 7ft'er..... ....



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Rick

01-29-2004 14:46:11




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 Re: What to charge for mowing w/ Haybine? in reply to Kelly C, 01-29-2004 07:31:11  
What is a haybine. I haven't been around farm equipment in many years, I've heard of mowers, conditioners, tedders etc, but never heard of a haybine.



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Kelly C

01-29-2004 15:27:32




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 Re: Re: What to charge for mowing w/ Haybine? in reply to Rick, 01-29-2004 14:46:11  
third party image

Haybine is a trade name for New Holland Mower Conditioners. DiskBine is the same NH trade mane for disk mower conditioners.



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Rickg

01-29-2004 17:01:02




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 Re: Re: Re: What to charge for mowing w/ Haybine? in reply to Kelly C, 01-29-2004 15:27:32  
Thanks for the information, I thought it would be something like that , butwasn't sure. Thanks also for the picture.



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Rick

01-29-2004 13:15:13




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 Re: What to charge for mowing w/ Haybine? in reply to Kelly C, 01-29-2004 07:31:11  
I charged $10.50 last season. Will be $11.50 coming year. I run disc/mow cond so you can really do acres. Usually do 60 in easy afternoon.



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wolfy

01-29-2004 08:39:11




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 Re: What to charge for mowing w/ Haybine? in reply to Kelly C, 01-29-2004 07:31:11  
On our Pennsylvania hills & contour strips, if you haybine 4 acres an hour, you have been moving non-stop & doing well - or else in light hay! Discbine more cause you roll about 2 gears higher & you can really smooth around making square corners.



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Kelly C

01-29-2004 09:28:48




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 Re: Re: What to charge for mowing w/ Haybine? in reply to wolfy, 01-29-2004 08:39:11  
I was wondering about that. In the last post you mentioned 2nd gear on the high side. I was hopeing 4th gear from my 400. Maybe just wishing on my end. 4th gear I can go 6.7 mph and in 3rd 5.?. Secound gear is going to be slow going.



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bob

01-29-2004 12:39:10




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 Re: Re: Re: What to charge for mowing w/ Haybine? in reply to Kelly C, 01-29-2004 09:28:48  
third gear on your 400 is as fast as you will be able to mow under normal conditions. $10-$12/acre.



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Kelly C

01-29-2004 07:46:40




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 Re: What to charge for mowing w/ Haybine? in reply to Kelly C, 01-29-2004 07:31:11  
I guess I need help with the Math. I figure my NH 469 on my 400. 9 foot cut at avg 5 mph how much hay gets cut per HR?



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Errin OH

01-29-2004 10:42:12




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 Re: Re: What to charge for mowing w/ Haybine? in reply to Kelly C, 01-29-2004 07:46:40  
Just for future referance.

An acer = roughly 207' x 207'. Cuting 9' at a time (207/9) you get 23 passes. If you count 23 passes times 207' you get 4761' total distance for an acer. With a mile being someing in the 5300' range, it takes roughly 1.1 acers to equal a mile. So at 5 mph you can cover something like 5.5 acers.

207/9=23 passes
23x207=4761 feet
5300/4761=1.1 miles
5x1.1=5.5 acers per hour


But thats optimum. Deduct for cutting vairance (over lap and such) somethin like 5-10%. And corners up to 20% depending on shape (lenght vs width). So I would say baring break down, pluging, and such you looking at 4-4.5 acers with smooth cutting base on a fairly square area. Heavy tangled hay, rough and or rocky gound can slow you down as much as 50% or more.

Couple other things to consdider. Fuel consuption - my AC D19 burns somethin like .9 gal an hour at operating RPM under load. On a small area say 5 acers not that much (a gal or so). But if you cutting 50 it can add up (9 gals or more). Your rate needs to include setup, travel to, travel from, break down. Sounds trival but can become a sore spot if not addressed in the charges. Big differance in the 15 mins it takes to hookup and drive across the road to do 20 acers (5 hours 200 bucks) vs 2 hours to travel 30 miles for 5 acers and 2 hours back home (5 hours 50 bucks).

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Kelly C

01-29-2004 12:00:28




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 Re: Re: Re: What to charge for mowing w/ Haybine? in reply to Errin OH, 01-29-2004 10:42:12  
Cool. I printed that!!!



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RalphIa

01-29-2004 08:07:56




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 Re: Re: What to charge for mowing w/ Haybine? in reply to Kelly C, 01-29-2004 07:46:40  
In the perfect world, no sickle plugs or corners you will cut 5.45 acres/hour. Iowa's survey for 2002 has a range of 6 to 12. average of 8.80.



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