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scott#2

01-25-2004 16:23:12

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Thinking about spring (when it gets here) and the other half is asking about a vegitable patch. Nothing too big just a 100 x 150' or so, large enough to grow some decent corn as well. What do you folks think are the right implements for the part time farmer? I got a 50 hp Ford and medium-hard, old pasture land. If plow & disc, what size and # plow? And if rototiller whats a decent brand/size that holds up ok and wont break the bank. And what are your opinions on the good and bad of each methods? Thank You for your assistance.

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gardener

01-31-2004 19:33:43

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Re: plow/disk or rototiller?, shes thinking veggie in reply to scott#2, 01-25-2004 16:23:12

..... Or spading machine!
I've also had 4 Troys ...never again. Have had BCS 10 hp for 5 yrs with electric start. Just great for making seed bed 2-3 inches deep or zipping between rows to clean up. I've heard that there is a hydraulic walkbehind tiller available which is really strong too. Barreto i think it's called.expensive.
However, i want to promote the use of spaders for primary tillage. Almost all other methods contribute to forming hardpan with their slicing smearing action. Also tillers when used for sole or primary deep tillage with their beating, slicing habit. Walkbehind spaders are also available, buti have a pto driven one for making my 48"beds and with a 26hp 2wd kubota.

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Hendo

01-29-2004 09:58:10

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Re: plow/disk or rototiller?, shes thinking veggie in reply to scott#2, 01-25-2004 16:23:12

I argee with Greenbeanman on the BCS. I have had both Troybilt & BCS. If you have hard ground or rock they will both rip your arms off if not take the machine right out of your hands. I don't have any problems with front tined tillers either, you just need to understand how to use them.
I finally went to a rear mounted tractor tiller for our gardens. I no longer have either and will be breaking new ground this spring, I plan to rip it with the teeth on my box blade and then attack it with a friends BCS tiller.

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gardener

01-31-2004 19:36:54

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Re: Re: plow/disk or rototiller?, shes thinking ve in reply to Hendo, 01-29-2004 09:58:10

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Erik Graham

01-28-2004 12:26:42

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Re: plow/disk or rototiller?, shes thinking veggie in reply to scott#2, 01-25-2004 16:23:12

I ended up renting a rear tine rototiller last fall to cut a new garden in very old pasture. I'm not sure what brand it was but it had a 9 h.p. Honda on it and had 3 forward speeds and reverse. Took a little doing to handle the machine in the first pass, after that I set it to walking speed. After three passed all the grass and roots were mulched very well. I added some rotted horse manure and composted leaves. I had thought about purchasing a unit but the rental here was only $65 Cdn for the day. Cheers Erik

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jhil

01-26-2004 11:36:46

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Re: plow/disk or rototiller?, shes thinking veggie in reply to scott#2, 01-25-2004 16:23:12

We always raised a big garden when I was a kid. We used a plow and a springtooth and it worked up the ground real well. My uncle had a troybuilt and after a few years he built up a hardpan. He had short dumpy carrots on sandy soil. Had to get it plowed every other year.

I woulget a 2 bottom plow 2-16's if possible, six or eight foot spring tooth and a 2 row cultivator. Acultivator is fast in the corn.

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jls

01-26-2004 10:40:06

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Re: plow/disk or rototiller?, shes thinking veggie in reply to scott#2, 01-25-2004 16:23:12

got a greymarket tiller in a fence deal and haven't hooked up a plow in yrs( for the garden) Its square so you back into blind spots and till out, will shred stalks, and with several passes will bust sod, about the same number of trips as with a plow and couple trips with a disc, got to move real slow tho, a troy will let you till between rows. with my tractor mounted tiller we end up planting beds solid when possible(lettuce,carrots, onions ect)to cut down on hoe work

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Larry Mills

01-26-2004 03:42:18

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Re: plow/disk or rototiller?, shes thinking veggie in reply to scott#2, 01-25-2004 16:23:12

If your area is large enough to turn the tractor at either end and not be in the soil you are going to plant - stick with the tractor and
attachments. If not - go with the Troybilt Tiller.
I owned an 8 HP from 1984 until 2002. (18 yrs)
Sold it and bought a 10 HP with wheel weights.
If it lasts as well as the 8 - I won`t have to buy another one!!!! You can get many attachments with them as well.
P.S - the 10 is also Electric Start

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greenbeanman--just an opi

01-26-2004 08:33:40

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Re: Re: plow/disk or rototiller?, shes thinking ve in reply to Larry Mills, 01-26-2004 03:42:18

I certainly don't want to start any color wars, but I would like to give my opinion.

Troy-bilt tillers are good, but I believe that BCS two wheeled tractors with tiller attachments are much better. They also cost considerably more, but you can add other attachments that are helpful around a farmstead.

Since mine is just an opinion based on using both, and biased by BCS ownership, I would suggest you ask dealers to bring both to your garden site for a side by side comparison. (Is that ever a run on sentence or what?)

I find that the BCS is a lot easier to handle. I also like to swing the handlebars to the side on the finishing pass, so that there are no footprints on the seedbed. BCS has slightly faster tine speed.

Again, just my opinion. Besides, the BCS blue matches my Ford tractor blue better than a red Troy-bilt.

Of course you haven't said that you are interested in a stand alone tiller at all. You have to be a pretty serious gardener to invest several thousand dollars on one. The grocery savings will certainly pay for one over time.

BCS America

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greenbeanman

01-25-2004 21:52:47

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Re: plow/disk or rototiller?, shes thinking veggie in reply to scott#2, 01-25-2004 16:23:12

I would recommend a stand alone tiller. On this small of a plot you can hardly get to speed with a tractor before it is time to turn around.

I don't know what you soil is like, but I recommend adding lots of organic matter in the fall after the final harvest. This will allow it to break down over winter. Worms will work their way through it giving wonderful soil.

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Dan

01-25-2004 17:49:10

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Re: plow/disk or rototiller?, shes thinking veggie in reply to scott#2, 01-25-2004 16:23:12

I used to plow the garden in the fall, we would throw the left over corn stalks, tomato vines and any other large vegitation in the open furrow, then cover it on the next round. I usuall disc in the spring and then run a small rototiller over to finish. If you have a Troy built rear tine they work great. May need something more substancial to break the sod originally though.

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old

01-25-2004 17:30:04

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Re: plow/disk or rototiller?, shes thinking veggie in reply to scott#2, 01-25-2004 16:23:12

For my wife garden I use a troy built tiller, the tractor is to large for what I have and packs more then it tills. I have 10 tractors from around 20 HP up to around 60 Hp and I still believe the troy built is the only way to go fro a garden. My $0.02 worth

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paul

01-25-2004 16:42:25

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Re: plow/disk or rototiller?, shes thinking veggie in reply to scott#2, 01-25-2004 16:23:12

A tiller makes a good veggie garden plot, but it requires a tractor with a slow 1st gear. It is not so good for a larger corn field, as it pulverizes the ground too much.

A plow, disk, & drag are better suited for working up a bit larger of a plot, and make great field prep for more traditional field crops. On really small plots you spend a lot of time packing the ground down turning around. Where I live it's better to plow in fall, let these -10 degree temps bust up the clods & spring rains weather them, and then lightly disk & drag. You climate might be totally different & spring plowing works better.

So, either works. Depends a bit on your climate & your tractor tranny.

If you stay small, I'd look to the tiller. If you plan on doing more in the future, I'd lean to a plow.

--->Paul

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