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jim

01-15-2004 09:38:21




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We've never owned a round baler, as we sell our hay to the horsey market. However, I'm wondering if we had hay ready to square bale and couldn't get it off before a rain,and had it round baled instead ,without using twine, then unrolled it later to be square baled , would this work? Do you follow my reasoning ? Could such an operation work? Just a thought on a cold winter's day with cabin fever setting in !!!

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Dieselrider Here it is !

01-16-2004 04:03:59




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 Re: Round Baling in reply to jim, 01-15-2004 09:38:21  
Jim, Try this link, I think it's similar to what you want to do. Although you would have to use string to bale the round bales first then transport them to the unroller. It would allow you to bale up alot of hay without alot of labor then re bale it into square bales when you had the time and help to do so.

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jim

01-16-2004 06:23:54




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 Re: Re: Round Baling in reply to Dieselrider Here it is !, 01-16-2004 04:03:59  
Thanks Dieselrider. That is a very interesting site! A few years ago, the neighbourhood welder/machinist made a similar machine for a trucker who serviced the Florida market. Unfortunatly, the trucker had an aboriginal girl friend and moved the machine onto the local reserve before he paid for it. Once on the reserve, the neighbour couldn't touch it and was never paid for it. Neighbour has passed away and never built another.

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Dieselrider Here it is !

01-16-2004 03:58:54




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 Re: Round Baling in reply to jim, 01-15-2004 09:38:21  
Jim, Try this link, I think it's similar to what you want to do. Although you would have to use string to bale the round bales first then transport them to the unroller. It would allow you to bale up alot of hay without alot of labor then re bale it into square bales when you had the time and help to do so.

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kyhayman

01-15-2004 19:29:03




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 Re: Round Baling in reply to jim, 01-15-2004 09:38:21  
I've been toying with this idea for a while. I can grow 300 acres of alfalfa but I can't possibly sqaure bale that much, esp 5 times. Just not enough time and weather. Note that round bales need dryer hay than square bales to eliminate mold.I can get help in the winter easy and cheap, in the summer there are better, cooler, higher paying jobs. Sketching a skid steer mounted 'unroller grapple' with a series of belt conveyers to unroll straight into the baler. Then run the output by belt to the barn to store. I can retire in 10 years (maybe sooner, if we get a buyout). Trying to get set up and the kinks worked out.

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DEM66

01-17-2004 21:12:03




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 Re: Re: Round Baling in reply to kyhayman, 01-15-2004 19:29:03  
Have you guys considered leaf loss? I don't know how you guys bale where you are but here in Western Nebraska it is real dry. We have to wait for high humidity or a dew to bale (normally in the middle of the night). I would be concerned with the hay being awful dry in the winter and loosing a lot of leaves off the stems during rebaling resulting in bales with stems and loose leaves. Just a thought.

Dan

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kyhayman

01-18-2004 06:54:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Round Baling in reply to DEM66, 01-17-2004 21:12:03  
I'm still working on that one :-). It is somewhat of a different situation. There are days that I have had windrow moisture increase on dry ground in bright sunshine from the humidity in the air to the point I had to stop baling. I'm thinking about using my propionic acid injector and add a water mist if I need to, or using wrapped dry hay where I'm holding the starting moisture. Bottom line is I am lucky to get $15 for a 4x5 roll of barn stored alfalfa, tested with an RFV of over 150; and I can sell rebaled over ripe orchardgrass for $3 a small square (or more if I take it to the right places.)

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Kelly C

01-15-2004 21:51:27




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 Re: Re: Round Baling in reply to kyhayman, 01-15-2004 19:29:03  
You know. I am still on this one too. I was thinking about one of those 3pt unrolers feeding a belt feed to the baler.
Could run it with a electric motor or PTO and rig a hand clutch on it or just clutch the trator supplying the pto. You would have to be able to stop it by clutch to let the baler catch up with the roll. Kinda low tech but I have most of the parts already in a $300 big Baler.
As a matter of fact I was thinking about using the belts, rollers, pto shafts and other parts off my IH 241 when I get done with it. Might have to figure out some gears and sprockets to gear it down. I dont think you want it just rippin along.

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kyhayman

01-16-2004 10:34:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Round Baling in reply to Kelly C, 01-15-2004 21:51:27  
I think you and I are thinking on the same lines. That's the same type of unroller I'm toying with using only I'm thinking use it on the front. That would elimeinate the need to hand clutch, just lower the roll to increase the feed rate and raise it lower the feed rate. Also beeen working with the electric motor idea on the baler, still got to play with that some. I'm leaning toward using a tractor as the baler power source.

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wolfy

01-15-2004 16:57:19




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 Re: Round Baling in reply to jim, 01-15-2004 09:38:21  
You'd probably be better off using the twine on the round bales-then you could move them with less mess; If baled right ,they would hold together without twine but depending on the type of round baler, the outside layer could drop off in handling. You'd have to cut strings & pull them off before unrolling, but you'd likely move them to top of small grade & unroll downhill anyway! They won't unroll into a straight little windrow. Been there, done that. If it were easy, everyone would do it.

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Brad in VA

01-15-2004 16:07:31




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 Re: Round Baling in reply to jim, 01-15-2004 09:38:21  
There was an old man down the road a piece that had some round bales for sale. Some horse people came up and looked at it and said it wasnt "up to par" for their horses and the old man said well come back in two days and I will get some up here from another far. They said ok and came back a few days later and there was 300 bales sitting there pretty as you please. The old farmer had square baled the hay that they said wasnt good enough for $15 in a roll and he sold it to them for $3.50 a square... Kinda funny he thought, so did I when he told me. It is workable if you can store it in the dry before it is baled

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jim

01-15-2004 15:57:15




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 Re: Round Baling in reply to jim, 01-15-2004 09:38:21  
Thanks for all the responses fellows !!
It seems the majority believe,through experience, that this would be a poor idea. Just another example of the great advice and people one meets on this great site! Thanks again! Jim



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Bob

01-15-2004 15:43:00




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 Re: Round Baling in reply to jim, 01-15-2004 09:38:21  
Hello, In response to your query on unrolling hay and square baling it later that would depend on if it actually got rained on or not. We raise horses and cows and do our own baling. We square bale for the horses and round bale for the cattle. We use nylon string for the round bales and store them outside for cattle only. We also store some round bales inside for the horses, but these bales are done up with the jute type twine, not nylon. The reason for that is on occasion we have taken the bales stored inside and rebaled them into square bales. We cut the twine off and unroll them with a pickup truck that has a lift for loading onto a truck. After they are unrolled we run the rake over it and make a wind row for the square baler to pick it up easier. The reason we do not use plastic string on these bales is that it is not as bad if you do not get it all off. We have rebaled on a number of occasions, like if we run short on square bales or if we have extra hay and want to sell it in squares for the horse hay people. We do not square bale any hay that has been rained on. Any hay that gets wet is always round baled and fed to the cattle. If you have questions, you are welcome to contact me. Email me and I will give you my phone number.

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Dieselrider

01-15-2004 14:53:52




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 Re: Round Baling in reply to jim, 01-15-2004 09:38:21  
Jim, There is actually a system out there to do just what you're saying. I have seen it but, I don't remember the name of it. Try a search for re baling hay or something like that. The best way to accomplish what you're trying to do would be to get the round bales inside some where and stack them until you're ready to square bale. the system I was refering to allows you to do this. It has a unroller that sets alongside the square baler and unrolls the hay so the square baler can just pull it in and re bale it. If I run accross it again I'll post back.

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paul

01-15-2004 10:32:07




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 Re: Round Baling in reply to jim, 01-15-2004 09:38:21  
U can't handle a round bale without twine, it will fluff open and soak up the rain.....

--->Paul



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jim

01-15-2004 12:55:51




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 Re: Re: Round Baling in reply to paul, 01-15-2004 10:32:07  
Paul - When you say that the unwrapped bales can't be handled , do you mean not to physically move them ? If it would work , the unwrapped round bale would only be left out for 2-3 days before running it through the square baler. If the round bale immediately opens up, then it just wouldn't work. Just trying to avoid as much rain damage as possible! Thanks , jim.



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paul

01-15-2004 13:39:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Round Baling in reply to jim, 01-15-2004 12:55:51  
A freshly baled round bale, when spit out without twine, really opens up & turns into a somewhat loose pile much of the time.

So, your plan is to round bale ahead of a rain, then 2-3 days later unroll the bale & rebale it with a square baler.

But, when rain hits that unwrapped round bale, it will soak in & really wet down your hay. It would take more to dry it out than if you had just left the windrow and turn & square bale it later.

Round bales shed moisture _if_ they are tightly rolled & wrapped with a lot of twine, or better yet with net. If you leave it sit without twine, my feeling is it will be more like a sponge.

Anyhow, that is how it would work here in the midwest. Your climate & rain issues might be totally different. I'm just concerned that you will be making 2wce as much work and end up with the same end quality? Here if it rains, the field is wet for a while, make it moddy to unroll & rebale, hurting the next cutting - etc. There will be losses from both balers, unrolling losses, leaf loss yes even on grass hay, and so on.

Some people round bale because it goes so much faster; store the bales indoors; and then rebale them into squares as time allows. It has a lot of work, but does work & make good hay in as short a time as possible.

Without twine, stored outside through a rain, and then rebale in the field.... Just would not work _here_ at all. Maybe totally different where you are.

--->Paul

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jf

01-15-2004 10:07:51




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 Re: Round Baling in reply to jim, 01-15-2004 09:38:21  
it will work-monitor your windrows, make em small so when you unroll and square bale it will not clog the baler. Also should use smaller amounts of twine.



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Mike

01-15-2004 09:55:47




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 Re: Round Baling in reply to jim, 01-15-2004 09:38:21  
I was baling for a neighbor a couple of years ago and the round baler broke down with a bale in it before it was finished with the bale and before I wrapped it. I ejected it, we unrolled it and he baled it with a NH 273 square baler. He moved forward very slowly as to give the baler time to digest it. He also finished up the field with square bales as it was a Sunday afternoon and I had no way to get what I needed to fix the rounder. Ended up with 100 squares that afternoon. Then we had to pick those things up.

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