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Jim

01-11-2004 19:12:20




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I'm looking for some input from anyone who has ever made hay before. What baler do you think is the best? Now, I'm not talking about a brand new one, but older, say 1955-1980, as my farm has a fairly low budget. I have had several IH, CASE, Oliver, Massey, and John Deere, and just can't decide which one to buy.




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balerman

01-12-2004 14:42:14




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 Re: Balers in reply to Jim, 01-11-2004 19:12:20  
You'll hear plenty of responses telling you about John Deere balers. This one isn't positive. I had a new 14T John Deere and it was a constant headache. Even the JD mechanic couldn't fix it. Finally sold it and bought an IH 46. Much better baler and didn't miss tying bales. The John Deere seemed well built but balers are supposed to tie and that one had a serious problem. I've been suspicious of JD ever since and generally buy JD only if it's a real good buy so I can spend lots of money repairing them.

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Indydirtfarmer

01-12-2004 06:03:55




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 Re: Balers in reply to Jim, 01-11-2004 19:12:20  
If you're like most "small-scale" farmers, you're after "bang for the buck" as much as anything. You no doubt want a baler that makes a good tight bale, last's most of your life, and doesn't break you up, when you need parts. They all have their good points and bad points. All things being equal, just about any of the John Deere balers take 1st place in the "voting". New Holland makes a good baler, but Deere makes some great ones. The parts will cost a bit more for Deere equipment, but you will be able to get them for years to come. That's not to say New Holland doesn't carry parts as long. They do too. I'd look for a good buy on a 336 Deere, if I was looking for another baler. I have one now. I also have a 273 New Holland as a "back-up". I bought it CHEAP! In a perfect world, I'd like to trade it for another 336 Deere, but there's a big difference in price in our area. A lot has to do with your requirements. How many acres/bales a year are you planning on doing? Are you going to expand your needs in the future? How soon? Unless you're SURE that you'll not need bigger equipment in the forseeable future, it's usually wise to buy something that allows you to increase your production, without having to buy another baler in just a short time. The Deere 14T, 24T, 214T, ect WERE the best in the business at one time. Just keep in mind that some of them are now 30 or 40 years old. The parts are still there, but that'll end some day. I would suggest finding a model made at least in the 70's or newer, so that you can have many good years with a baler that you're familiar with. I believe that is as important as any factor in keeping one in good shape. KNOWING it like the back of your hand. That takes time, and a few thousand bales. Good luck, and good haying. John

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Dave H (MI)

01-12-2004 07:57:33




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 Re: Re: Balers in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 01-12-2004 06:03:55  
I'm not going to argue with John...I read his posts and can tell he is a good guy. But two comments. The parts ARE and WILL BE available for the old 24T style balers. They are in dusty barns, fence rows, and under tarps all over the place. Those parts REALLY won't break you up. Second, I don't know about the baler he is so fond of, but a lot of the newer balers don't replace parts, they replace "assemblies". My Deere guy told me he liked the 224T because you could fix or replace parts. According to him on some of the newer balers have (plug and play) assemblies that are pricey and unfixable. Hope that makes sense. OK...I'll throw in a third.
At less than $1000 per baler you can afford to use it until it is only good for parts and then scrap it. Get a back-up though! Just thinkin out loud.

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Indydirtfarmer

01-12-2004 12:29:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Balers in reply to Dave H (MI), 01-12-2004 07:57:33  
That mindset is OK, if you bale a few acres, but if you're depending on your baler to get THOUSANDS of bales in the barn, in a short timeframe, you can't be dependant on a piece of equipment that you can't just go grab parts off the shelf. We bale several thousand bales of straw, and about 150 acres of hay. (I also ROUND bale about 125 more acres) I guess it all boils down to what, and how much you're baling. I think we're BOTH right, in certain cases. John

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Dave H (MI)

01-13-2004 11:26:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Balers in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 01-12-2004 12:29:47  
What fun is that?!?! Can't imagine baling without trying to find an old part while storm clouds dance on the horizon! And doubling your blood pressure while trying to fix your baler in the dark! Oh, and I LOVE that phrase in the old baler manual: "modeling". Had to call the JD dealer for an interpretation. It means "hit it with a hammer". You win....buy the new one. 8^)



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src

01-12-2004 05:42:33




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 Re: Balers in reply to Jim, 01-11-2004 19:12:20  
John Deere does make a real good baler, but they
are VERY expensive to buy parts for. On the plus
side, you can still buy parts for them through the
dealers.



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Rick

01-12-2004 05:40:47




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 Re: Balers in reply to Jim, 01-11-2004 19:12:20  
In the years you are talking about it is Deere period. New Holland never had packer fork,thats why you always heard owners talking about how to get a uniform bale on New Hollands. They called banana balers in my territory. The late model New Holland be okay as long get the one when they started finally also using the packer fork. Rick



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RayP(MI)

01-12-2004 11:17:15




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 Re: Re: Balers in reply to Rick, 01-12-2004 05:40:47  
Well, all my experience with JD balers has been good, but that's a long time ago! Just bought a NH 268 Hayliner, and I can tell you that it DOESN'T make banana bales. Have borrowed it for a couple of seasons, and has done a great job. Previous owner out wedges on the sides of the bale chamber - maybe that's why it makes such tight, square bales. I don't much care for the feed rakes either, but whatever works. Put up about 1500 bales with an Oliver T60 this summer - now that was an exercise in frustration!

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farmerboybill

01-12-2004 05:31:08




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 Re: Balers in reply to Jim, 01-11-2004 19:12:20  
Avoid the NH 315 like the plague. We've had nothing but headaches. I've heard the same thing about the NH 310 but have no experiance to base that on. My grandpa has a NH 273 and it's a wonderful machine. It'd be in your price range being they haven't made them in 30 years.

If you're talking round balers, go Vermeer.

I saw a super 66 NH (if memory serves) on a sale about 6 months back in Mazomanie. absolutely perfect. 4 cyl Wisc gas engine, all canvasses present and perfect, always shedded. On the side , the owner had written in pencil the year and how many bales he had gotten from each field from each crop all the way up to 1978. Couldn't believe it sold for $175.

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Leroy

01-17-2004 18:19:18




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 Re: Re: Balers in reply to farmerboybill, 01-12-2004 05:31:08  
Could not have been a 66, they did not have canvas and a 2 cylinder enjine, sounds like a 76, later replaced with the 77



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Jim in michigan

01-12-2004 03:49:11




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 Re: Balers in reply to Jim, 01-11-2004 19:12:20  
I use a NH 68 hayliner,,I love it. was cheap and is easy to work on,and I havent had anything major go on it. Jim



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paul

01-11-2004 22:10:21




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 Re: Balers in reply to Jim, 01-11-2004 19:12:20  
I like NH, but you will find NH & JD figured out the knotters first & best, are still popular, many many around, parts are stocked locally, and mechanics know how to fix them.

Any other brand is a big gamble. I own products of almost all the colors, you won't get me into a color war. When it comes to used sm sq balers, NH or JD are the best bet - by far.

--->Paul



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Big Jim

01-13-2004 14:08:42




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 Re: Re: Balers in reply to paul, 01-11-2004 22:10:21  
I would have to second that.

Stick to New Holland or John Deere on small square balers. A 14 or 24T JD would probably be in your budget as would a 273, 268 or 68 NH. A 336 JD would be nicer as would a 310 NH, but would be tough to find in good condition for under $1,000 (at least in our area).



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kyhayman

01-11-2004 19:52:59




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 Re: Balers in reply to Jim, 01-11-2004 19:12:20  
I'm partial to NH hay equip except square balers. NH makes great ones but I'm partial to the auger feed on the JD's. 336 and 338's are my favorites.



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Dave H (MI)

01-11-2004 19:27:18




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 Re: Balers in reply to Jim, 01-11-2004 19:12:20  
Oh....you'll find lots to opine on that subject!
New hollands are great. I use a 224T JD which was cheap and works like dream. 24T is a good one too.



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