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Seeding Timothy in Alfalfa

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John in IN

01-04-2004 07:31:04




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I have a new stand of alfalfa that was broadcasted in winter wheat last March. After combining the wheat off I baled the straw and the middle of Sept. I got one cutting off. It is pure alfalfa and would like to mix some timothy in. Is it ok to broadcast timothy into the alfalfa this spring? Should I do it before I spread fertilizer this spring or after? I plan to fertilizing in March. I live in mid-north Indiana. Any info would be helpful. Thanks, John

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John in IN

01-05-2004 16:13:34




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 Re: Seeding Timothy in Alfalfa in reply to John in IN, 01-04-2004 07:31:04  
Thanks for the input. Sounds like I will probally seed some orchard grass in it. I am going to look into the no-till. Thanks. John



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kyhayman

01-04-2004 18:54:54




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 Re: Seeding Timothy in Alfalfa in reply to John in IN, 01-04-2004 07:31:04  
I agree with Tim (nj)'s observation but prefer timothy for the same reasons. Your first cutting will be very showey with the timothy. Here, if the horse folks cant see the seed head they dont think its there. Later cuttings aren't 'contaminated' with much grass so the RFV tests really high and makes the dairy farms happy. My market is 70% equine, 30% dairy but I need the dairies b/c they pay more regularly.

I've done spring timothy but have much better stands in the fall. In either case I notil drill it at a right angle to the direction I drilled the alfalfa. Currently using a 10' Haybuster that local NRCS rents. B/c of the fine seed size I've had better results putting the timothy seed in the legume box. If I was selling strictly to the dairy markets I'd use orchard grass. It matures earlier and lets you get your first alfalfa crop off at the right time. Timothy puts me late on getting started but the tonnage makes up for it. A normal year gets me 110 bales of first cutting and 40 each for the next 3. The orchard grass mix gets me 90 in the first and 50 in each of the next 4 (better yield but lower quality), usually have to take that first cutting of o.g. alf off as round bale silage b/c of the weather. Brome isnt a good option for me, too far south (and timothy can be challenging).

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Flurette Farm

01-04-2004 20:47:15




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 Re: Re: Seeding Timothy in Alfalfa in reply to kyhayman, 01-04-2004 18:54:54  
These guys are correct. Stick with orchard grass or brome. You may want to no-till early.



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Tim(nj)

01-04-2004 14:25:36




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 Re: Seeding Timothy in Alfalfa in reply to John in IN, 01-04-2004 07:31:04  
I personally feel that timothy is the wrong grass to pair with alfalfa. If you're going to be doing a 3 or 4 cutting per year harvest on the alfalfa, the timothy won't show much in the bale except for the 1st cutting. The first alfalfa field I planted was mixed with timothy. I wasn't impressed by it. The second field I had better results, both tonnage and nutrient-wise, with a brome-alfalfa mix. Some of the newer varieties of orchardgrass also pair well with alfalfa, but I have not yet tried them, because due to a downturn in the local alfalfa market, I quit growing it a couple years ago. Your best bet is to find what research your particular land-grant college has done on the mixes (Rutgers has done extensive work on this here in New Jersey) and go from there.

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Al

01-04-2004 21:33:44




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 Re: Re: Seeding Timothy in Alfalfa in reply to Tim(nj), 01-04-2004 14:25:36  
Tim, where are you in N.J.?I,m in the Flemington area.



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Tim(nj)

01-05-2004 12:57:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Seeding Timothy in Alfalfa in reply to Al, 01-04-2004 21:33:44  
halfway between Pittstown and Frenchtown. You don't happen to have a tree farm, do you?



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