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Using a Subsoiler to Bury Water Pipe Wire

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Bill

12-06-2003 07:51:26




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Anyone using a subsoiler to lay water pipe and wire? How did you do it, how well did it work and how deep can you go?

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Bill




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Charles

12-08-2003 12:52:03




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 Re: Using a Subsoiler to Bury Water Pipe Wire in reply to Bill, 12-06-2003 07:51:26  
I uses a lathe knife out of a plywood mill, welded it to a 1" thick piece of steel then attaches to tool bar on tractor. I took torch and cut the lathe knife from 4' to approx 18" shaped a pointed end. I then put 250LB of press weights on tool bar. I then take post hole digger and dig a hole to the depth I want to bury water/wire line. I use a piece of nylon which came from a fiberoptic cable 3280 Tensil strength. Put a cap on end of water line tie nylon to it with a slip not then attach to hole in lathe knife. looks like a snake going in a hole. I have burried 1000+ feet doing this. One man operation. "Country-Boy Can Survive".

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Chuck

12-08-2003 05:02:41




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 Re: Using a Subsoiler to Bury Water Pipe Wire in reply to Bill, 12-06-2003 07:51:26  
My dad and I used an old category I subsoiler, we had a piece of stock exhaust pipe welded to the back of the cutter bar, the bottom of the pipe was turned to the rear at about a 45 degree angle. The bottom of the pipe is in line with the foot. The top of the pipe is falred out so that wire would feed smoothly. We hooked up to a 720 Diesel, 1st gear. We had the wire on a spool, it fed itself for the most part. We ran almost 200 feet at 20-24 inches of depth. The wire is Underground Romex, 12/3.
Code says 24 inches if unprotected and 18 if inside a pipe, but if you know you will never be digging in the area, it does not have to be 24. The power company in our area does not make it to 24 inches in places.

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mike

12-07-2003 11:31:48




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 Re: Using a Subsoiler to Bury Water Pipe Wire in reply to Bill, 12-06-2003 07:51:26  
For pulling poly pipe, weld a union on the subsoiler
right at the bottem, screw a poly adapter into the union and clamp the poly pipe on.



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Nebraska Cowman

12-06-2003 17:26:21




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 Re: Using a Subsoiler to Bury Water Pipe Wire in reply to Bill, 12-06-2003 07:51:26  
My dad and I put in the water line to our dairy barn in 1977 and my sis is still using it. That is in northwest PA where they get lots of snow and the ground don't freeze too deep. We made a pass or 2 before putting in the pipe.



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Gary in TX

12-06-2003 15:15:46




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 Re: Using a Subsoiler to Bury Water Pipe Wire in reply to Bill, 12-06-2003 07:51:26  
Sounds like it would be much easier and quicker to just go rent a ditch witch for a day.



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Bus Driver

12-06-2003 14:08:56




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 Re: Using a Subsoiler to Bury Water Pipe Wire in reply to Bill, 12-06-2003 07:51:26  
Most folks would be surprised how shallow the subsoiler really goes. On a category 1 tractor, the subsoiler probably goes no more than 18" deep, even with repeated preliminary passes. For most applications, the electrical code requires the wire to be buried a minimum of 24" deep. But I do confess to having used the subsoiler for wire burying a few times.



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Dennis

12-06-2003 13:52:05




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 Re: Using a Subsoiler to Bury Water Pipe Wire in reply to Bill, 12-06-2003 07:51:26  
Go to electrical supply house and get a 1.5" (or whatever size) wire puller and attatch the puller to the bottom of the subsoiler. You can pull a 1000 foot or more like this. The pullers are like the old chinese finger toys, the more you pull the more they tighten, back up and they loosen up.



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Richard Fazio

12-06-2003 13:38:40




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 Re: Using a Subsoiler to Bury Water Pipe Wire in reply to Bill, 12-06-2003 07:51:26  
The way I've heard it being done, which I'm about to try is this. Weld a pipe with a 90 degree or slightly more bend on it to the sub soiler. The pipe is welded so the open end of the 90 is facing backward with the other open end up. The water line is inserted from above with the slack end coming out the back. As the tractor drives and the subsoiler goes in the second person feeds the water pipe down the pipe. A hole to start in will help. I don't think you'll get much more than 2ft deep. Not good for freeze protection but ok for my barn. Also works for direct bury romex.

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Ron

12-06-2003 12:29:48




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 Re: Using a Subsoiler to Bury Water Pipe Wire in reply to Bill, 12-06-2003 07:51:26  
I have buried Electric wire with a SubSoiler...

It takes 2 people, and a LOW gear, so the person pushing the wire down behind the subsoiler can do a good job of keeping it pushed down..!! For Water line, I think I would bolt a steel plate on each side of the subsoiler hook, with a pulley mounted between them... About 24" is as deep as you will get it...Unless you extend the tip, so it will go deeper...

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MacSC

12-06-2003 08:01:20




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 Re: Using a Subsoiler to Bury Water Pipe Wire in reply to Bill, 12-06-2003 07:51:26  
Have done it before. You are eliminating the "pick" and "madock" and only having to shovel out the loose dirt you busted up with the subsoiler! As long as they have the ditchers at the rental yards, I'll never do it again! Am about to put in about 2000' of water line and the big riding ditcher only cost about $275 for a day.



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