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Bill

12-03-2003 07:49:06




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I need to develop a way to fertilize rows of Christmas trees. Currently, for another operation, I pass through each row. I am hoping for a 12 volt (my pto is in use for the other operation) method of operating a fertilizer that will discharge to one side only, (not broadcast the path between the rows). I have the abilities to modify or fabricate, but I am hoping for some advice to get started as I have not fertilized before.
Also helpful would be what models of fertilizers are reliable, etc.

Thanks in advance.

Bill

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Joel Harman

12-04-2003 10:00:09




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 Re: Fertilizer in reply to Bill, 12-03-2003 07:49:06  
Are you anywhere near commercial fruit orchards? Most fertilizer outfits have a fitting that bands fertilizer near the trees on spinner setups.



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MacSC

12-03-2003 13:45:58




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 Re: Fertilizer in reply to Bill, 12-03-2003 07:49:06  
Bill, can we assume that while you're mowing, trimming, etc. (using your PTO) that you would also like to apply fertilizer? I'm thinking of a hopper dropping the fertilizer into a fan which blows it thru a tube aimed at root area of your trees. A 12 volt starter motor would probably operate such a fan. You would need to be able to shut off/control the fertilizer flow so it wouldn't continue to drop into the fan when not needed and as much a you need. My thoughts on the blower come from the straw chopper/blowers which of course are a much bigger machine.

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paul

12-03-2003 15:35:25




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 Re: Re: Fertilizer in reply to MacSC, 12-03-2003 13:45:58  
Starters are momentary things with very high current draw. I don't think it would last for continuous use like this - burn up.

For blowing, look to the early model air corn planters. They would blow the seed to the planter row. AC & Ford models had individual row blowers, and IHC 400 series planters had quite a blower for the whole planter - those might be pto or hyd driven, not sure if they were electric? You can buy the whole planters of this era for $100-300 many times, and use the blower.

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paul

12-03-2003 13:25:11




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 Re: Fertilizer in reply to Bill, 12-03-2003 07:49:06  
It seems you are looking at a spinning 3pt type of spreader with an electric motor? And looking to put a deflecter on it to put the fert in a narrow (how narrow?) band around the trees?

Could I suggest some other possibilities, most of which will not work for one reason or another, but food for thought? :)

Do you have hydraulics available, an orbit motor with adjustable speed valve would handle the shock loads of fert a lot better - as you drive the fert settles, and an electric motor might have a hard time breaking the spinner free - doesn't take much to spin one once it's going, but start-up might be a problem.

How far 'to the side' do you need to go? Do you need it scattered, or could you knife it in a shallow grove? A planter fert tub with a set of disks & drop tube slightly angled would feed your fert to a channel in the ground. Will depend upon what your fert is. Some N is much better to be incorporated so it doesn't escape, rain or no rain. As well, P (I think, or is it the K?) does not move well into the ground, and will take a couple years to really be used as it mostly sits on the surface waiting for something to move it down in - better to get it into the soil directly. The negatives are cutting the soil (roots?) and a concentrated patch of fert might not suit your crop. On corn crops we can cut fert use by 1/3 by incorporating fert, rather than broadcasting - worth looking into for the $$$ savings?

I'm assuming you are using granular fert, have you looked into liquid ferts???? Those are pretty easy to pump & dribble with an electric (or ground driven) pump. Either the P or K is a little harder to deal with in liquid (I forget which...) but it's not impossible to figure out, and once you are set up (a bit of $$$ for the tanks & pumps to start with) it is very user-friendly (no more shovel!) and all-plastic containers means no rust to use an all-liquid system.

Interesting question, not sure how tree fert works or it's needs. Can you explain a bit more?

--->Paul

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