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Rob Johnson

11-24-2003 12:02:14




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Here in Australia , silage has been little used , mainly the odd farmer will put down a pit , in a bumper year , and now we are seeing the wrapped round bale silage .
I'm wondering why a silo was never used here , what are the benefits of the 3 types , silo , pit and round or big square bale , and what are the down sides.
I envisage making silage from oat crops.




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Leroy

11-27-2003 16:52:41




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 Re: Silage in reply to Rob Johnson, 11-24-2003 12:02:14  
Here In Ohio bunker or pit silos were tried and abanond, the big dairys all use uprite or tower silos with the silage bags for overflow, never used silage myself



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d

11-26-2003 19:07:23




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 Re: Silage in reply to Rob Johnson, 11-24-2003 12:02:14  
We've used towers, bunkers, bags and tube-wrapped square bales. The towers were too slow, although some of the newer ones that they're building at 30X100 and bigger are a lot faster. Bags and wrapped bales worked ok until the deer and elk decided to run their antlers down the sidesof the plastic for kicks. We're sticking with bunkers now.



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Hugh MacKay

11-24-2003 20:07:54




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 Re: Silage in reply to Rob Johnson, 11-24-2003 12:02:14  
Rob: I grew up on a dairy farm, that until the mid 1960's was a 40 cow herd. We lived in an area where stored feed was the order for 7 months of the year. Until 1965 my dad had used dry hay only. From there I grew that dairy herd to 100 cows by 1975. I built my first silo in 1967 and bought the equipment. Two items that drove me to silage were No 1 labour and secondly weather. I lived in an area of catchy rainfall, where forcasters were often wrong. Other industry was also competeing heavily for labour.

I will say this, had the big round bales come along 5 years sooner, before I built silos and bought equipment, I don't think there would ever been silage on my farm. Silage takes a lot of hp per ton of feed. In 1967 I could have bought a second square baler with thrower, but could never have found the labour to run two balers. In 1967 I could very easily have kept my square baler with thrower and added a round baler. That would have reduced my labour requirments.

If I lived in a climate where weather is not a factor for drying hay, for me silage would never happen, be it tower silos, bunker silos, wraped bales, big bags, etc. The goal of making money is to get that feed from field to feed bunk at the lowest possible cost. The lowest possible cost I have seen in the past 40 years has been the round baler.

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ChrisL

11-24-2003 18:41:02




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 Re: Silage in reply to Rob Johnson, 11-24-2003 12:02:14  
Silos - OK for small herds like the others say - but too much labor and horsepower and time filling and too much overall equipment,

Plastic bags - need all the silage cutting and hauling labor but a little faster to fill a bag - to me the downside is all the unusable plastic you are buying every year

If you can put hay up in bale form it will keep a long time (especially indoors here in the midwest with snow and 25" of rain) with little additional expense - PLUS you are not hauling around all that water in the haylage

In my opinion a properly sized bunker is the way to go - keep it covered - easy labor in - easy labor out - an overall best solution....

have you read about a lacerator and vacuum silage?

also one more thing about oat silage (they do make good silage) a silage operation is only once a year - but haying is three or four times per year - some of those times are definitely in the wet part of the year.....

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Alvin NE WI

11-24-2003 18:06:45




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 Re: Silage in reply to Rob Johnson, 11-24-2003 12:02:14  
Our experence has been with upright silo,s, long 200 foot bags and bale wraped silage. Need luck with all to get it right. We found that wraped balage with hay, triple wraped is good for 6 months, after that you never know, it starts to spoil, when you get the rainbow colored mold, that is trouble, white, not too serious. In the long bags either 8,9 or 10 foot, do not keep then longer than 2 years even with a good pack, mainly because of rodents, birds picken holes in it or even hail, that does a good number on bags. If you put good feel in, it will be good coming out, but up here it gets to be a PITA in winter blizzards, moonson seasons of several days of rain and the cattle have to be fed every day with no leeway, Dairy cattle in particlare has to be on a regulare time. We got the best feed and luck feeding from our upright silos..

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kyhayman

11-24-2003 16:55:48




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 Re: Silage in reply to Rob Johnson, 11-24-2003 12:02:14  
This area of the US has seen a literal explosion in the use of wrapped round bale silage. We are a 50 +/-" rainfall area. For years this area was dotted with small daries that sold manufactored grade milk and raised tobacco. The soils are mostly D/E/F slopes and very rocky. Adjoining counties with better soils had a lot of fluid milk daries. I heard the figure 3 years ago that we were losing on avg 1 dairy per day every day. There are a lot of upright silos around but with the decline in dairy numbers it is hard to pencil corn silage for beef cows (we are a cow calf area now). Round bale silage lets us put up hay when it needs to be put up without a rain worry. The better hay growers can get an extra cutting of alfalfa. We typically get at most 2 windows to put up hay in May, you have to cut everything you can cut in 1 day and hope the weather holds until you can get it in. With the wrapped round bales you can cut on Sat am, rake Sat afternoon, bale Sunday am, and wrap Sunday pm. Works well with an off farm job. One dealer a few miles from me told me before this year he had sold 16 inline wrappers since '91 and he had sold 32 this year by May 1. Local Co-op sold a case of plastic film in that time period and they sold 3 semi loads this year. It was a God send to me this year. I normally try for 10,000 small squares and 1000 round bales. This year I got the 800 rolls of grass hay but also made 600 rolls of 'tubeledge'. Only way I could get it up. I should come out of winter with half my barn storage for rolls still full (round bale prices have tanked). Plan to just fill the barns and wrap everything else. That will also let me take off a cutting early May and get an extra months water and grazing.

Makes great silage in the film. Just have to put them where you aim to leave them. Grasses (and wheat/rye) ensile the best, and will keep 2 years. Alfalfa and soybeans only last about a year. The high calcium in the plants buffers the fermintation too much.

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Rob Johnson

11-26-2003 01:15:54




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 Re: Re: Silage in reply to kyhayman, 11-24-2003 16:55:48  
Well , I reckon I'll stay with hay !.
As I said we are hopefully just coming out of a 7 year drought , and I've had to buy in a lot of hay. Some hay I bought in I got from an old school mate , it must have been magnificent in its day , but it was teenaged hay , at least 13-15 yo !.The horses preferred it to 1yo hay grown in a wet area.
The area I am looking at has an ideal climate for hay , and is highly geared to round bale production.
Rob J.

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Dave in Mo

11-26-2003 09:44:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Silage in reply to Rob Johnson, 11-26-2003 01:15:54  
Rob, what state of Oz are you from? Queensland, New South Wales, Victoria, or over by Adelaide? The Aussie's in Melbourne said they've just had a wet winter and the reserviors are refilling well.



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Rob Johnson

11-26-2003 11:18:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Silage in reply to Dave in Mo, 11-26-2003 09:44:54  
Dave , I am about 2 hours NW of Melbourne , in Vic.
We did get a close to average winter rainfall , certainly better than we have had for 7 years , and some of the dams are up to 40% I think , but of course will drop off again over summer , and water restrictions are in force .
Irrigation farmers are only getting 1/2 or 1/3 their normal water , even though they have to pay the full amount , and a lot of the country lakes and big dams remain completely dry.Last year a lot of irrigation areas were not allocated any water at all !.
It will take many years of true wet years to reverse that trend.
Rob J.

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Rob Johnson

11-26-2003 11:13:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Silage in reply to Dave in Mo, 11-26-2003 09:44:54  
Dave , I am about 2 hours NW of Melbourne , in Vic.
We did get a close to average winter rainfall , certainly better than we have had for 7 years , and some of the dams are up to 40% I think , but of course will drop off again over summer , and water restrictions are in force .
Irrigation farmers are only getting 1/2 or 1/3 their normal water , even though they have to pay the full amount , and a lot of the country lakes and big dams remain completely dry.Last year a lot of irrigation areas were not allocated any water at all !.
It will take many years of true wet years to reverse that trend.
Rob J.

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Fernan

11-24-2003 15:49:27




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 Re: Silage in reply to Rob Johnson, 11-24-2003 12:02:14  
I agree with Bob. However we've just gone to hay sillage wrapping this season last the metod has aved us our hay crop. We had two problems in this State of Michigan. Continued drought conditions and for poor hay growth and to little to often sprinkles for dry bailing. So, we have these long white catapilers laid out accross our hay yards. I might add, the might be lumps in the catipilers aren't really over sized bails rumored That I had made. Thry're reakky spectators who had gotten too close.

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paul

11-24-2003 15:14:45




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 Re: Silage in reply to Rob Johnson, 11-24-2003 12:02:14  
Here in the midwest USA there is not much round or square bales made into silage, but the 'Ag-Bag' or plastic bag silage has really caught on, only way to go anymore.

Tall vertical silos were probably easier to unload & feed out with low power requirements (a fork or a 5hp electric motor) which is kind of what was available to many of us from the 50s - 70s. As livestock operations got bigger in the late 80s it took too many silos, and they were not flexable enough to keep up with expansion.

Bunker, or big flat concrete, silos had their days when the round silos were becoming too small & inflexable, but the plastic bags hadn't come into their own yet. Properly managed they work well for a big operation, but the top likes to spoil without _real_ good management, and you need to feed a lot of critters to keep the front wall fresh - feed out fast enough.

There are some round bales individually wrapped for silage, but seems expensive & time consuming & too easy to puncture the plastic as you move them. And some bales are stuffed in long bags, but it is difficult to seal up & get the air out, so there is more spoilage - mold.

The upright silos will be used as long as they are good, but the future around here are plastic bags stuffed with raw silage. Low initial expense, very flexable for how much you need to store this year, small cross section so it doesn't spoil as you feed out, and easy to locate where you need it for that year. And if you don't poke a hole in them, they keep pretty well, low spoilage. We now have the hp & equipment to stuff the silage into them & to dig it back out again with skidsteers & the like.

Perhaps in your dry & warmer climate you could graze the livestock much longer, and harvest dry crops. Here in the midwest where we have 6 months of real cold winter & snow, and 30+ inches of rain over summer, we needed ways to harvest & store crops for long periods even if they were wet?

--->Paul

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Rob Johnson

11-24-2003 15:27:30




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 Re: Re: Silage in reply to paul, 11-24-2003 15:14:45  
Thanks Paul.
We are just coming out of 7 years of draught . I am looking at shifting to a new property that can grow some very good crops , but I'm sure they have their "too dry" years too. Its only about a 20 inch average rainfall.
I want to store feed for the long term , especially in the good years . We can cut excellent hay !.
Regards Rob Johnson



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