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Using JD 494 planter for vegetable seeding ??

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Tom Brown

11-21-2003 18:25:25




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Hi, I just recently discovered this forum and find it very helpful. For 14 years I have been growing 30 -40 A. of assorted veggies. I use a 494 for the sweet, pop, and indian corn. Has anyone had any actual experience with modify plates and the seed box mechanism to plant pumpkin, cukes, & squash, also green beans ? Over the years I have gotten lots of differant plates at auctions... both plastic and steel. I have thought of changing the cells on the steel, but I have no idea what, if any changes may need done to the seed knockers. I currently am using a very old Cole 1 row planter for the pumpkins. It takes a very long time to plant 15-20 A. The green beans I plant with an old 2 row Planet Jr. Thank you for any help you can share. I'm located in Ohio.

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Leroy

11-26-2003 06:21:48




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 Re: Using JD 494 planter for vegetable seeding ?? in reply to Tom Brown, 11-21-2003 18:25:25  
Hi neighbor, JD at botkins should be able to get you any of those vegetable plates but at a price you would be hard to afford, Tell Tammi I said Hi, Lester Helmlinger, at [email protected]



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Jason

11-23-2003 16:43:15




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 Re: Using JD 494 planter for vegetable seeding ?? in reply to Tom Brown, 11-21-2003 18:25:25  
this may not apply to your planter, When I bought my JD290 plate planter it had been used that week to put in green beans. The former owner had very good success with it on beans. Take a look at lincolnagproducts . com they have plates your looking for as well as blanks to cut your own needs. The 290 can be set 36" drops I have no idea if your planter can.



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Hoosierbuddy

11-22-2003 06:21:38




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 Re: Using JD 494 planter for vegetable seeding ?? in reply to Tom Brown, 11-21-2003 18:25:25  

May I make a suggestion?
Get a used Cyclo Air planter.
I have a book "Guide to better Cyclo air planting" that shows different settings and advice for 800 series Cyclo Air Planters,That may also be used with the 400 series Planters as well.You can pick up a decent Cyclo for anywhere from $50 to $400 bucks and plant pumpkins -hill-drop ,cantalope,sqaush,pickles(cucumbers),sunflowers,Edible beans(green beans),as well as any pelletized or coated seeds(carrots- whatever).
Everyone knocks the Cyclos,but I have used my 400 for sweetcorn as well as green beans and Field Corn and Soybeans -spacing and depth have never been a problem.set up on a cyclo is where it's all made or lost.
HB

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Tom Brown

11-23-2003 03:53:51




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 Re: Re: Using JD 494 planter for vegetable seeding in reply to Hoosierbuddy, 11-22-2003 06:21:38  
Thanks, Hoosierbuddy, I never thought of a Cyclo. Though I'm colorblind when it comes to equipment, about the only thing used in W OH is JD planters. It sounds like you have some experience with Cyclo's, can I ask some ?'s. Do you use a differant seed drum for each type of seed? What's the minimum amount of seed needed in the seed drum, in other words, how close can you plant out the seed ? For pumpkins, is it possible to plug off every other row so that rows could be 5-6 ft. apart? Thanks for your time and info. What part of IN. do you live ?

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Hoosierbuddy

11-23-2003 06:31:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Using JD 494 planter for vegetable see in reply to Tom Brown, 11-23-2003 03:53:51  
Yes they have different seed drums for corn and beans,and Milo,A combination of these can be used to plant many varieties of seed-the corn drums are used to plant pumkins and they have either a 24(400 Cyclo) or 36 hole(800 Cyclo) drum.For Hill droppping pumpkins you just use duct tape to seal off a few rows on the inside of the drum and tie the brush back so 2 or 3 seeds get planted. You can do some math and figure out how many rows to tape over for 5 or 6 feet.
The drums are for corn and beans are basically the same -they just have different numbers of holes and hole diameters.
The drums on my 400 will "scavenge" down to nothing- they will go until a few seeds are left....If the planter is set up level like it needs to be.
Set up is critical.If it's set up right in the first place,it will work like a dream,but if the planter is not level or the seals are shot or tire pressure is wrong,or the wrong tires are on it,etc.,then it is no fun.That's why some people (in my opinion!) hate Cyclos-It's taken me about 3 years to fully understand these planters and that's too long to fiddle with one if you're a full time farmer with 2,000 acres to get in before the rain comes.
I found mine had different tires than the manual called for,and when I installed the right ones(floatation) I found I had to use a different formula to figure seed pop. and spacing-so when people say it's not accurate on population or spacing,my bet is they have the optional floatation tires and aren't aware of the different computations.
Even drum RPM has an effect too fast it skips,too slow it doubles.
Don't let this scare you!!
I had no one to help me with this,so figuring it out took a while and a few manuals.
But if you decide to go with a Cyclo-the parts can still be had from Case/IH ,and Manuals are still available if yours doesn't have one.I've got a guide I can copy for you that will help you if needed.
I hope that I have answered your ?!
I think these planters are great as far as flexibility with many different seeds is concerned.
But someone will get on here and say I'm crazy for even suggesting a Cyclo.:^)

I live in Mooreland,IN near Muncie.Where in W.OH are you?
My Cyclo came from Weldon & Witt In Eaton,OH.
I grew up in Oxford.
Ask more ? if you need to!
HB

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Tom Brown

11-23-2003 10:06:19




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Using JD 494 planter for vegetable in reply to Hoosierbuddy, 11-23-2003 06:31:31  
Thanks for your followup. I wasn't aware that the corn, soybean drums could be adapted to other seeds..... leave it to a farmer !! I know what you mean about taking 2-3 years to figure something out as it pertains to veggies. I live just east of Wapakoneta OH. I'm the only "large" scale grower in this county with 35 a. I'm all fresh market, no processing. I have been growing veggies for 15 yrs. and learn lot's more every year. Maybe, somehow we can keep in touch, I feel that we farmers can learn a LOT more from each other than from any other source. Thanks, Hoosierbuddy.

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Hoosierbuddy

11-23-2003 15:09:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Using JD 494 planter for veget in reply to Tom Brown, 11-23-2003 10:06:19  
That would be great to keep in touch.
I have included my email address so feel free to use it.
Hoosierbuddy
(Bill Jones)



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Tom Brown

11-24-2003 02:49:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Using JD 494 planter for v in reply to Hoosierbuddy, 11-23-2003 15:09:31  
Hi Hoosierbuddy, I'm relatively new to this forum. Where do I find your email address? Thanks, Tom



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HB

11-24-2003 06:43:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Using JD 494 planter f in reply to Tom Brown, 11-24-2003 02:49:32  
Just click on the HB on this reply



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HB

11-24-2003 06:46:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Using JD 494 plant in reply to HB, 11-24-2003 06:43:44  
Or...The send email on the top line on the reply!
I like to complicate things you know.....!



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Tom Brown

11-25-2003 03:08:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Using JD 494 p in reply to HB, 11-24-2003 06:46:56  
Hoosierbuddy, I tried to email you direct at the msn site , it was returned. I'm not sure what i did wrong.



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Tom Brown

11-23-2003 03:48:51




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 Re: Re: Using JD 494 planter for vegetable seeding in reply to Hoosierbuddy, 11-22-2003 06:21:38  
Thanks, Hoosierbuddy, I never thought of a Cyclo. Though I'm colorblind when it comes to equipment, about the only thing used in W OH is JD planters. It sounds like you have some experience with Cyclo's, can I ask some ?'s. Do you use a differant seed drum for each type of seed? What's the minimum amount of seed needed in the seed drum, in other words, how close can you plant out the seed ? For pumpkins, is it possible to plug off every other row so that rows could be 5-6 ft. apart? Thanks for your time and info. What part of IN. do you live ?

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