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Paul

11-20-2003 17:03:07




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I am getting to have more hay than I care to rake with my side delivery rake and am interested in a Vee rake. I would like to hear what you folks have to say about them both pro and con. Thanks, Paul




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RayP(MI)

11-23-2003 16:09:17




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 Re: Need info on Vee Rakes in reply to Paul, 11-20-2003 17:03:07  
Have you considered teaming a couple of ba type rakes in tandem? Have seen simple cheap trailers made for the purpose, or you could probably fabricate you own, if you have a welder and a few shop tools. If you're bent to get a wheel rake, I suggest getting one with it's own wheels. Renter on our farm a few years back had a mounted one, and it just bounded along, missing a fair amount of hay. Now I'm farming the place - we're using an old 3pt-pto powered New Idea 5 bar rake. When I get through, the fields are very clean.

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Cliff Neubauer

11-22-2003 16:30:22




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 Re: Need info on Vee Rakes in reply to Paul, 11-20-2003 17:03:07  
The V rakes have their place but they also have alot of limitations, personally I would rather have a 10 wheel inline rake than a 10 wheel V rake. With a V rake it is very hard to do good job putting 3 windrows together, the center windrow will not get raked, they will do a good job putting two windrows together but on windy days the center two wheels will wrap with hay pretty bad. The V rake I have used has a pair of 3pt mounted rakes on a caddy, if I was to every buy a V rake it would be one of the more expensive models with the long hitch and the rakes pivoting from the back of the frame so they are more easily adjusted. We hire a neighbor to round bale our hay and he hates baling for customers with V rakes. I would see if you can demo or rent one before you buy one.

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rhudson

11-22-2003 15:55:22




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 Re: Need info on Vee Rakes in reply to Paul, 11-20-2003 17:03:07  
Hi Paul
I have a M and W 10 wheel trailored rake. i like it better that other vees because the rakes pivot forward before lifting up and folding. this allows large balls of hay to pass through the rear in heavy hay. you can open up the space between the two rakes while on the go to allow the plug to pass through. if you are not used to the extra width and not cautious you will run into trees etc. but you can't blame that on the rake, you have to watch your equipment.

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Kelly MT

11-22-2003 08:05:10




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 Re: Need info on Vee Rakes in reply to Paul, 11-20-2003 17:03:07  
I have a Tonutti 10 wheel V-rake. It's 3 point mount like the prevous guy mentioned. You can also take the rakes off the toolbar and have a 5 wheel left or right rake. In heavy hay I set the rake to turn two windrows or in light hay I put two windrows together. The negative side is manual fold up and transport width. Overall a good machine and fast right from Italy factory support via e-mail. PK

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kyhayman

11-21-2003 19:00:04




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 Re: Need info on Vee Rakes in reply to Paul, 11-20-2003 17:03:07  
Just a personal preference but I wouldnt have another V rake if you gave it to me. A few years ago I felt as you do, needed to speed up raking (for the round baler). I bought one and hated it. My baler has a 4' pickup and if I set the rake narrow enough for the baler it balled up in the rake. When there were obstructions in the field I could manage to bend both outside wheels b/c you cant look over both shoulders at the same time. Plus I like the 'twist' that a bar rake puts on the hay. Seems to feed better. If I want to go full width in both directions I can get 36' in a windrow. The twisting makes a more compact windrow for the pickup on the baler. Like I said, just personal opinion, but I wouldnt take one if it was free and I had to use it. Three neighbors this year sold their V rakes and copied my hitch for their bar rakes.

I sold it and bought a scond bar rake NH 56 for $600 (had a new NH 256 for square baling already). Put $100 of square tubing on the back of the 56 and made an 18' side delivery rake. Made it to slide where I can rake 12', 15', or 18'.

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smirkey

11-21-2003 10:10:13




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 Re: Need info on Vee Rakes in reply to Paul, 11-20-2003 17:03:07  
i saw a vee rake at a JD dealer. 4 wheels either side, rubber transport wheels. hydraulic lift to transport. do they make um themselves? are they any good, expensive? we used a 5 wheel farmhand since i was a kid. beat the crap out of it, keeps going too!



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James in NC

11-21-2003 12:56:48




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 Re: Re: Need info on Vee Rakes in reply to smirkey, 11-21-2003 10:10:13  
The John Deere is made by tonutti I believe. JD probably has a few changes but nothing major. Most all wheel rakes and tedders are now made over seas. I am not sure about the price of a JD, but the 8 wheel Vermeer is around 2850.



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Hay Dr

11-22-2003 04:36:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Need info on Vee Rakes in reply to James in NC, 11-21-2003 12:56:48  
CCM MFG's some 4 & 5 wheel V-rakes in Johnson City, TN $1,800 & $2,000



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James in NC

11-21-2003 08:14:45




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 Re: Need info on Vee Rakes in reply to Paul, 11-20-2003 17:03:07  
I assume you are talking about the wheel rakes. The v wheel rake has its pros and cons just like anything else. Pros: One trip down the field = one windrow. They can be set to match the baler pickup = no weaving. Fairly inexpensive 8 wheel rake less that $3000. Cons: They are ground driven and therefore rake everything on the ground. I know a man that liked to rake the pasture with it becuase it helps scatter the manure. They don't rake as fluffy as the roll bar rakes. Vermeer makes a V-rake in the roll bar style if you not want a wheel rake. They are real nice.
I would purchase one that has one hydrualic cylinder. So that at the end of the windrow the rake can be raised slightly off the ground while turning. I prefer the rake to laps around the field and bale them up then rake straight up and down the field. If the baler is not in the field the I rake straight and do a clean up lap.

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Mike

11-21-2003 05:59:59




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 Re: Need info on Vee Rakes in reply to Paul, 11-20-2003 17:03:07  
Paul,
I'm speaking for the SW Houston area. Most guys out here have both types of the Vermeer V type rakes. I think New Holland calls them the rolla-bar type as well as the wheel type rakes. I asked this same question on here a good while back and got some good info. I couple of things I picked up on here is the rolla-bar type rakes do rake cleaner. That is they do not kick up dirt as much as the wheel type rakes. If you bale hay for horses then this could be a good thing. If you round bale, then a V type rake is the only way to go. Both of these work good in the grasses down here with the exception of what the guys down here call haygrazer. It's a cane type grass I'll call it and don't know from experience but I've been told the wheel rakes don't move it very easily. I just, this past summer, bought one side of a wheel rake with the intention of getting the other side and the trailer section later. Didn't have enough $ to get the whole thing at one time so there will probably be a time after I get the other side when it's a 3 pt mounted type for a while. You can get a what Tonutti calls a toolbar and you can mount two three point rakes to it and then mount the toolbar to the tractor's 3 pt. This lets you have a 3 pt mounted V type wheel rake.
Hope this help.

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Sid

11-20-2003 20:53:38




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 Re: Need info on Vee Rakes in reply to Paul, 11-20-2003 17:03:07  
I like a V rake because it is faster seems to rake cleaner and is simple fewer moving parts. Some of its drawbacks in my opinion in thick fluffy hay they have a tendecy to plug, you can help this if you have a good position control to hold it up and not let it ride the ground hard if it is a mounted rake you cannot corner worth a flip and we rake back and forth because of this. Also a mounted rake you have to fold up to travel rom feild to field. But for moost condition around here I probably prefer a Vee rake over a single side delivery not sure if I will go with a vee rake or a double hitch and get both a left and right side delivery set up.

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