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Errin OH

11-15-2003 08:17:50




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I know this fella that wants to put in hay next spring and I plan to bale for him. He asked if I could plant it for him. I told him to contact a friend of mine and get it no-tilled. I don't have much tillage equipment. It had beans on it this year and I have been wondering. Since it had beans and the ground was in pretty good condition, could it be disked up and then drilled (not no-till)? Or would one needed to have chiseled it first? Just wonderin.

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rustyfarmall

11-15-2003 12:55:28




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 Re: Field prep in reply to Errin OH, 11-15-2003 08:17:50  
If you are going to be cutting hay off of this ground, you want it to be as smooth and flat as possible. No till, I think, would leave some ridges, which you don't want. If it were mine to do, I would go in with a disc, make one pass with the disc set fairly deep, and a second pass with the disc set shallow. Then you can plant the seeds,and follow behind with a harrow to really smooth things down. Harrowing also will cover the seeds.

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REA

11-17-2003 10:52:09




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 Re: Re: Field prep in reply to rustyfarmall, 11-15-2003 12:55:28  
Gentleman, Question, do you after gathering the oats have to plant the field to raise hay later? Or do you plant the two crops together? I am new at some of the technical growing of different grains, and how soon one will come up after the other. I have been mostly a small vegtable farmer. Thanks! much appreciated.

Bob



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Allan

11-17-2003 16:58:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Field prep in reply to REA, 11-17-2003 10:52:09  
Hi Bob,

You plant the two at the same time. Alfalfa is very weak in the knees when it is young.

The nurse crop protects it and lets it get a toe hold during this critical early stage.

Once the nurse crop is taken off, that hay will come on strong on its own.

Hope this helps, and good luck.,

Allan



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REA

11-18-2003 03:36:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Field prep in reply to Allan, 11-17-2003 16:58:26  
Hi Allen,

Thanks that is what I deeded to know. I am interested in wild life management, and would like to be able to keep animals at a level of high survival. The winters here get snowy and cold which depletes they chances of survival by 30% in a bad winter. With a chance of receiving better feed their chances are multiplied. Thanks again.

Bob



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Allan

11-18-2003 04:34:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Field prep in reply to REA, 11-18-2003 03:36:10  
Bob,

And thanks to you for thinking the way you do.

Yes, mankind has encroached on these critters until we are to the point of driving them out of existence.

We are even endangering one another. :>)

Allan



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Allan

11-16-2003 03:50:27




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 Re: Re: Field prep in reply to rustyfarmall, 11-15-2003 12:55:28  
Errin,

I agree with Rusty with one exception.

You want a fairly firm seedbed for that nurse crop and like he says, you want it nice and level; Your old bean field is perfect for a future hay field.

Hit it with a disc at a medium depth and do it at an angle. Follow with a field harrow at the opposite angle. Then, drill in your seed using a totally different field pattern.

This way, you are bringing the tillage up from deep to shallow. Oats and the like do not do well on loose, deep tilled soil.

If you are lucky and hit it right, the oats will come rearin' up out of the ground and will cover quickly holding back the weeds.

Get the oats off as early as possible next summer and you still may get your first cutting of hay yet next fall.

Dat's the way I did it anyway,

Allan

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jim

11-15-2003 16:40:06




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 Re: Re: Field prep in reply to rustyfarmall, 11-15-2003 12:55:28  
We have no-tiled 90/10 alfalfa / timothy ,along with oats as a covercrop, into soy stubble since 1997. We've found that to be the best way to establish an almost weed-free stand of hay which stays very clean for years. In fact , our first field established 1n 1997, is still a clean stand. Only once since did we disk soy stubble before seeding down and that field is very dirty in comparison. By no-tilling, you don't bring buried weed seeds to the surface of a field you've just cleaned up with the previous soy crops.

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