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Kevin Koler

11-14-2003 17:52:16




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Hi - is there such a thing that will go under the surface of the ground and cut off roots and such without disturbing the top soil to much - Kinda like a big hula hoe if you remember that from tv. Thanks




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Photos

11-14-2003 19:27:39




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 Re: Is there such a thing in reply to Kevin Koler, 11-14-2003 17:52:16  
Here is a link to photos of some.



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Hugh MacKay

11-15-2003 02:21:55




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 Re: Re: Is there such a thing in reply to Photos, 11-14-2003 19:27:39  
I had a look at these photos, and having grown up in an area receiving 36" to 45" anual rainfall, these undercutters are rather forign to me. Always interested learning what some of these were used for in various areas. Another one that caught my eye was the rod weeder. Was the function of this machine much the same as the undercutter?



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Joel Harman

11-15-2003 07:26:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Is there such a thing in reply to Hugh MacKay, 11-15-2003 02:21:55  
There may still be some used here in N Central Oregon. Wheat is king with 1/2 ground summer fallowed & other 1/2 planted in Sept to soft white. More & more ranches are going to no till & some that are close enough to water are putting in cherries. Precip is probably 15-30".



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Rob

11-15-2003 06:24:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Is there such a thing in reply to Hugh MacKay, 11-15-2003 02:21:55  
A company in Yorkon, SK. (Morris) builds these. Most common was the B3. They're used to pull out weed seedlings like wild oats. They use a chain driven rotating rod about 1" in diameter that runs near the soil surface that grabs onto the plants. I've never used one but there's one rusting in most every yard up this way. HTH.



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Rob

11-14-2003 18:29:30




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 Re: Is there such a thing in reply to Kevin Koler, 11-14-2003 17:52:16  
They're known as a Noble plow up here as they were developed by that company. They even named a town in Alberta after them, Nobleford. HTH



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Nebraska Cowman

11-14-2003 18:16:07




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 Re: Is there such a thing in reply to Kevin Koler, 11-14-2003 17:52:16  
sweep plow. they use them still here about 5 foot wide sweeps run just under the ground.



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greenbeanman

11-14-2003 19:18:24




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 Re: Re: Is there such a thing in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 11-14-2003 18:16:07  
Yup, most of western Kansas is farmed with them.
We call them undercutters, with a little more modern term sweep plow.

They are a V shaped blade of 5' or 6' in total width, with several coupled side by side on a flexing frame. Most farmers will have a 20' 25'or a 35'wide model. They typically have "pickers" behind them. The path of the blades overlap slightly, with the adjoining sweeps offset fore and aft to accomodate the overlap.

The pickers look similar to a single row of rotary hoe teeth. They kind of kick the weed loose from the dirt, making for a better kill rate.

They are usually pulled at 5 to 7 mph.

The idea is to not turn the soil over, thereby conserving moisture. A much needed measure where the rainfall is only 19 inches annually.

Chemicals have taken over to a certain extent, and they conserve enough extra moisture that crops can be grown that otherwise would not have enough moisture to produce a crop.

I had a 1070 Case, which is about 108 HP. Pulling a model that had two 5' blades and two 5.5' blades, I could work 160 acres per day.

While I loved pulling a 15' one-way plow, an undercutter was much more efficient to conserve moisture and for covering acreage.

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Kevin Koler

11-15-2003 16:24:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Is there such a thing in reply to greenbeanman, 11-14-2003 19:18:24  
How deep do the Noble or sweep plows go? I am thinking of using one to chop off some pvc sprinkler risers left over from an old orchard. It would be nice to chop them off about 10 to 12" inches below the ground.



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greenbeanman

11-15-2003 22:47:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Is there such a thing in reply to Kevin Koler, 11-15-2003 16:24:06  
They are made to run shallow, and usually pulled 3" to 4".

I don't think one would even be able go as deep as you want. If one would go that deep, I'm not sure what kind of big horsehpower it would take to pull it.



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