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Plowing help

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Chuck McDonald

11-10-2003 07:13:42




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Hi,
I went plowing with my 1937 B John Deere and allis chalmers "1B"(?) plow this weekend. The plow is a single bottom pull type on steel. Anywho, all was going well unless i would get the plow too far into the land being plowed. The plow would actually begin to crab walk further into the unplowed ground. This would cause a section of land to be unplowed. I tried moving the hitch on the tractor over to the furrow side without much success. Also, adjusting the pin on the adjustment on the plow drawbar did not help much. How should the two drawbars be set up so I have a straight line of draft on the bottom so when i get to a hard place it does not crab walk?
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Chuck

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Kelly MT

11-12-2003 18:41:23




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 Re: Plowing help in reply to Chuck McDonald, 11-10-2003 07:13:42  
This discussion brings up a problem I have with my plow, you fellas know quite alot about these plows. I have a McCormic IH five bottom simi mount plow, Super Chief molbords. No book. The front bottom plows perfect the fifth bottom ends up about a third as deep. It has a hydraulic tail wheel to pick it up and a pneumatic depth gauge wheel, 700x15., that is adjustable.What might I be missing on the set up? Thanks PK

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Vern Mn

11-14-2003 01:01:53




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 Re: Re: Plowing help in reply to Kelly MT, 11-12-2003 18:41:23  
Kelly, your guage wheel sets the depth for the rear. Lift it up a few holes to where you want it.



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Kelly MT

11-14-2003 19:55:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Plowing help in reply to Vern Mn, 11-14-2003 01:01:53  
I tried that, most of the time neither of the rear wheels touch the ground. The gauge wheel hits now and then but the plow seems to tilt down front end low. If I pick up the on the lift arms I just loose depth all across. ? PK



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Leroy

11-13-2003 17:50:05




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 Re: Re: Plowing help in reply to Kelly MT, 11-12-2003 18:41:23  
Sounds like you have it tilted to the right. Right side set to low for with tractor wheel in furrow, sounds like you have it set for starting land and forgot to raise right side for second round



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Kelly MT

11-14-2003 19:47:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Plowing help in reply to Leroy, 11-13-2003 17:50:05  
Thanks for the tip, I'll give it a try. PK



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Leroy

11-11-2003 05:06:06




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 Re: Plowing help in reply to Chuck McDonald, 11-10-2003 07:13:42  
I would like to ask what type of coulter and size you are running, Yetter coulters if to large a blade will cause that and they are more tricky to adjust, Lantz may also do that and there are other makes also.



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Ron

11-10-2003 16:30:59




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 Re: Plowing help in reply to Chuck McDonald, 11-10-2003 07:13:42  
With the plow in the ground, the rear wheel should be running right in the corner of the furrow, and the bottom of the furrow should be level... John Deere manuals used to show how to off-set the hitch, so the plow runs at the right position with the rt tractor rear wheel in the furrow... I checked, and we use a setting of 29" from the center of the tractor to the inside of the rear tire, for a 2x14" plow ( pull-type).. The plow should be set to turn 14" of furrow width, if it is a 14" plow... This can be hard to measure, since the coulter may be out of adjustment...if you do measure it--at least do it with the plow in the lowered position...you will get a better idea of when the coulter is straight( and they don't actually run 'straight' anyway...)... Another way to look at it is... the Share should cut the entire furrow slice off ( full width), with non left uncut...anything more, and the mouldboard can't turn the slice over and starts to "push" the plow to the left..(Bummer)..! By the way...is the plow rusty, or shinny..?? When a plow id "scoured", it is like new chrome, and the soil easily slides over it... Hope this helps ya..!! Ron.

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Paul

11-10-2003 11:29:49




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 Re: Plowing help in reply to Chuck McDonald, 11-10-2003 07:13:42  
I hate to ask this dumb question, but are you running your right rear tractor wheel in the dead furrow?



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Chuck McDonald(yes its in

11-11-2003 10:34:29




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 Re: Re: Plowing help in reply to Paul, 11-10-2003 11:29:49  
NT



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rustyfarmall

11-10-2003 07:21:42




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 Re: Plowing help in reply to Chuck McDonald, 11-10-2003 07:13:42  
I am not familiar at all with an Allis plow, but if this plow has a tail wheel, I think you need to do some adjusting to it. The IHC little genius plow manual goes into detail about how to do this, so that the plow will not "crab walk".
I would think that all plows would be similar?
Also, in what condition is the land side of the plow bottom? This could affect the plow also.



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Chuck

11-10-2003 07:31:29




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 Re: Re: Plowing help in reply to rustyfarmall, 11-10-2003 07:21:42  
Hey,
When you say "land side" do you mean the flat portion on the side of the plow that is supposed to create a straight wall between the unplowed ground and the dead furrow? I am pretty confident in the condition of the bottom, share etc. What if i had the land side of the plow set too high when compared to the plowed ground side. If it wasnt diggin in that much on that side and more on the other, would that cause it to slide toward the land side?

I dont think the trail wheel is adjustable as it is a steel wheel on a fixed casting. i could be wrong though. Might look into that as well
chuck

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rustyfarmall

11-10-2003 08:51:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Plowing help in reply to Chuck, 11-10-2003 07:31:29  
Chuck, yes, I think we are talking the same language on the land side. As far as the tail wheel, I looked at a john deere plow I have, and the tail wheel is fixed solid on it, so apparently not all of them are adjustable. I am playing a guessing game here just about as much as you, I have done a lot of plowing, but have never experienced any problems like you mentioned. Hopefully, someone else will jump in here who knows about the allis plows.

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Hugh MacKay

11-10-2003 15:08:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Plowing help in reply to rustyfarmall, 11-10-2003 08:51:32  
Rusty: Like you I am not very familiar with Allis plows. Irregardless of what type of plow you are running, unless you are and old pro you very much need a manual. Far too many people think a plow is a simple machine, not so.



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Hugh MacKay

11-10-2003 15:07:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Plowing help in reply to rustyfarmall, 11-10-2003 08:51:32  
Rusty: Like you I am not very familiar with Allis plows. Irregardless of what type of plow you are running, unless you are and old pro you very much need a manual. Far to many people think a plow is a simple machine, not so.



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