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Hay rakes Ground/PTO

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Matthew(Mich)

11-05-2003 08:33:01




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Just woundering which style rake is the preferred by you all. Just raking 10 acres and looking to buy one. Sounds as if the 5 bar work the best any thoughts? How about raking around corners which rake is my best/cheapest route.

Matthew




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11-07-2003 06:21:47




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 Re: Hay rakes Ground/PTO in reply to Matthew(Mich), 11-05-2003 08:33:01  
We have two rakes, a New Holland 55 and a Kuhn
3 pt. pto type. The Kuhn does a nice, neat job,
but the old NH is the best. It's a proven design
that hasn't changed much in almost 50 years.



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Dan

11-05-2003 19:39:37




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 Re: Hay rakes Ground/PTO in reply to Matthew(Mich), 11-05-2003 08:33:01  
Will add my comments. I have a JD 850 series rake, semi integral. A pull type, it works good to turn hay and for initial raking. As mentioned most 3 point, pto rakes tend to react opposite of the front wheels of the tractor, if you turn slightly to the right, the rear of the rake moves to the left, is really easy to get a crooked windrow. ON the other hand the pto rake turns faster with the tractor moving slow, some have 2 speeds. At the end of the row you can lift the 3 point and then after the turn set it back down on the next windrow. ON the pull type you have to sort of connect the rows, a sharp turn with the rake, toward the drive wheel, causes the rake to stop and may bunch hay. Think it is a matter of preference. I have never used a 5 bar rake, only a 4 bar, I assume the 5 bar would rake cleaner.

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RayP(MI)

11-06-2003 15:21:28




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 Re: Re: Hay rakes Ground/PTO in reply to Dan, 11-05-2003 19:39:37  
Well, when I was a kid, we used a couple different pull-behind rakes. They did OK. 5 Bar did a little better picking up the hay, but the old 4 bar did credibly well too. Now, in restarting the farm, I scrounged a 3pt hitch - 5 bar rake from my father-in-law's junk pile. took a little learning, but we're getting along fine with it. PTO gives a little better drive on the reel, as speed is constant in turns, where wheel driven may vary. As far as turning, and having problems with the rake attached, you'll soon learn how to turn properly, so as not to miss hay in the corners. With any rake you need to keep all turns wide and gentle, if you want the baler operator to stay on speaking terms with you! Real advantage of the 3pt unit is when you get through in the middle of the field, you can just pick it up and leave - without dragging it thru the windrows!

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Dave H

11-05-2003 17:40:01




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 Re: Hay rakes Ground/PTO in reply to Matthew(Mich), 11-05-2003 08:33:01  
Never used a 3 pt hayrake, but used lots of other 3 pt equipment and don't care for the way it reacts to the front end of the tractor. My NH 56 isn't pretty but it sure works good for me. I'll put my vote for the pull type, but of course I was the guy who told you not to buy a haybine!



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Errin OH

11-05-2003 10:49:36




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 Re: Hay rakes Ground/PTO in reply to Matthew(Mich), 11-05-2003 08:33:01  
I have used both and don't know that I could say which I prefer. I use a pull rake just because it was purchased a a very resonable price and I also tend to be working fairly rough ground. The pull (ground drive) and pto (3pt) bar rakes pretty much work the same. The difference really is a pro/con thing. Pull rakes tend to follow the contour of the ground better. Not necessarily needed if the field has been worked and is nice and flat. PTO (3pt) rakes are at the mercy of the front of the tractor. If working a field that hasn't had any or much prep, as the front rides over a bump the rake is jammed into the ground. Vise-versa, drop the front wheels in a hole or rut, and up comes the rake in back. However the one advantage pto has over ground is speed ratio. If your in a heavy or wet cutting you can slow down the tractor and maintain rake speed. Pull type is at the mercy of the tractor speed. Now if I could get a pto / pull type, I'd vote for that. But as stated in another post it would have to have the ability to reverse and ack as a tedder.

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paul

11-05-2003 09:12:27




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 Re: Hay rakes Ground/PTO in reply to Matthew(Mich), 11-05-2003 08:33:01  
Here in southern MN, I've seen 5 pto rakes, and a few 100 ground driven rakes.

A 2 wheel 5-bar rake such as a NH 256 or JD are top of the line 'here', but other 5-bar models work about as good for 1/5 the money. I have a NH 55.

I've never actually seen a pto rake work.

--->Paul



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Greywolf

11-05-2003 10:27:07




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 Re: Re: Hay rakes Ground/PTO in reply to paul, 11-05-2003 09:12:27  
You don't have far to go to see one Paul, northwest of Gibbon 10 miles ... LOL. I have an old Allis that I use. Is it the best??? probably not. I have to match ground speed to the rake, and rake a bit on the wet side to save leaves. but I wouldn't be without the reverse on it for teddying. Teeth are a bit difficult to keep on it too getting low enought to pull the windrow up they dissappear. And to just flip the windrow upside down is somewhat of an art.

But it was here in the grove when I started haying again and was way cheaper getting back into shape for use than looking for something used.

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paul

11-06-2003 05:06:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Hay rakes Ground/PTO in reply to Greywolf, 11-05-2003 10:27:07  
This fall I round baled for a neighbor, 20 bales or so. I was following a 2.5 bar 4 steel wheel rake. One of the 3 bars was broken, half of it gone.

Whatever gets the work done. ;)

--->Paul



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