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dontknowwhatimdoing

11-01-2003 08:01:22

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wagon will wander side to side,above 20mph wagon will start bounce.

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John Ne.

11-02-2003 10:31:52

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Re: front alignment of haywagon in reply to dontknowwhatimdoing, 11-01-2003 08:01:22

The difference between a wagon that pulls well and one that wags all over the road is in the toein AND The Tongue alignment, if the tongue is just a little off when the wheels are straight ahead, it will wag. Loose components notwithstanding, the wheels have to be aligned. First find a common point on the front axle, that is the same on both sides, a weld, bracket etc. and measure from that point diagonally out to the end of the tongue, preferably the center of the tongue hole. With the measurements the same from both sides, drive a stake thru the tongue hole into the ground to hold it there. Then align the wheels, I"ve done this by laying a long board down each side of the wagons tires, and turn the adjusting sleeves on the tie rod so the wheels are pointing precisely in the same direction. If you do it carefully, and make careful measurements, the wagon should pull well and not wag. Provided the kingpins etc. are in good condition. John in Nebr.

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paul

11-02-2003 08:50:53

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Re: front alignment of haywagon in reply to dontknowwhatimdoing, 11-01-2003 08:01:22

You have loose hitch components. This can get expensive to rebush & tighten everything - and I mean everything - up.

Even the hitch pin & tonue hole & pickup hole - as tight as can be, no room to wiggle.

All those little side-to-side wiggles of the hitch & front wheels get magnified - a lot over 20 mph.

But you can't just tighten everything to where it doesn't move - then things will break at speed. You need to make it all right, like new.

For towing something like a baler once, people will put a come-along & chain frome the right corner to the pickup hitch & snug it. keeps all the loose wiggle pulled one way.

--->Paul

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11-02-2003 07:41:21

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Re: front alignment of haywagon in reply to dontknowwhatimdoing, 11-01-2003 08:01:22

OK, piont well taken, I was about 17 years old and a little careless. In my defence this was in Canada where you could travel on a road for 20 miles and not meet another vehicle and the wagon only had an empty forage box on it.

Would never do it today, much older and wiser.
JB

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kyhayman

11-02-2003 10:29:25

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Re: Re: front alignment of haywagon in reply to JB, 11-02-2003 07:41:21

You know JB, those 9XX series Deere's still tow like a dream. Don't know why they quit using that style front end. Before I quit tobacco farming I had 5 of them and a handful of other flavors. Now full loaded none of them were worth much over 10 or 15 and if I'm pulling combination that's plenty but empty man I loved those JD's. Never much liked to put any loaded wagon on the highway. Kept the best one, regeret the day I let the others go. Bought a Bradford and a Cory, neither one of them good over 30-35 empty. Dont know where that guy that was giving you crap is from but I have a lot of roads that I have to get on with a 45 mph MINIMUM on them.

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11-01-2003 17:37:37

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Re: front alignment of haywagon in reply to dontknowwhatimdoing, 11-01-2003 08:01:22

Hi, one of the best wagons to tow at high speed were the JD 953 series. Have towed behind a Chevy 1/2 ton at 60 MPH.

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Think

11-01-2003 18:15:13

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Re: Re: front alignment of haywagon in reply to JB, 11-01-2003 17:37:37

That is very dumb, above 20mph with a running gear is a death bomb to you and anyone on the road around you, you are be very selfish to the lady in the opposing lane heading home to her children or even your own children, for everyone's safety, tow safely

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n8drof

11-02-2003 06:28:29

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Re: Re: Re: front alignment of haywagon in reply to Think, 11-01-2003 18:15:13

ever follow or come headon to a semi tractortrailor hauling sugar beats load over the top,not reqired by law to be covered going 65mph on blacktop dirt covered road{21 miles} in the rain.

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rustyfarmall

11-01-2003 11:26:38

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Re: front alignment of haywagon in reply to dontknowwhatimdoing, 11-01-2003 08:01:22

Most farm wagons do not have any type of suspension, no springs, no shock absorbers. The only thing that will soak up some of the bumps in the road are the tires, and if the wagon is empty, it will bounce. It is normal.
As for the wandering from side to side, the steering mechanism is just like on a car, a bit simpler maybe, but you still need to inspect for excessive wear, and adjust the toe-in just like you would on your car or truck.

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Jerry A.

11-01-2003 08:30:59

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Re: front alignment of haywagon in reply to dontknowwhatimdoing, 11-01-2003 08:01:22

I've always understood that the front steering wheels should have just bit of toe-in.

I think all those old hayracks will "wag" a bit when you get over about 20 MPH. My three hay racks all do that. The intensity of the swaying will vary with how many bales I have on them and where the hay is located (more to the front or back).

Might want to check how tight the tie-rods are.

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Tim(nj)

11-02-2003 18:22:05

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Re: Re: front alignment of haywagon in reply to Jerry A., 11-01-2003 08:30:59

On my wagons, many of which were bought used at auctions, I have noticed one area that always needs attention-the kingpin. Seems nobody ever bothers to grease it, and it gets worn inside where you can't see it. The rest of the steering can be perfectly tight, but if that pin isn't full-dimension, the wagon will still whip.

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