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Damon Cates

10-30-2003 17:51:04

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I have recently been restoring a set of two bottom trip plows. I am trying to find out what kind they are. There are no markings anywhere on the rails that I can see. I have the letters HTP stamped all over the plow and different numbers following them. For example I have the number HTP 17A stamped on the furrow wheel support. HTP 237 stamped on both colter arms. I have the numbers N311B and the phrase "F&H" stamped on adjacent sides of each wheel cap. These plows are on steel wheels. One side is a smooth steel wheel and the other one is knobbed. There is some paint that looks like the old Allis Chalmer yellow or orange which ever it was. It also reminds me of the color of the older Case tractors before they started painting them white. Any information that anyone could give me would be greatly appreciated.

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Damon Cates

11-01-2003 17:42:37

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Re: identifying trip plows in reply to Damon Cates, 10-30-2003 17:51:04

Do you have a color picture of these plows or do you know where I could go to see one or what is the name of a good book I can buy that would have these in them. I would like to paint them back to their original color?

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Jay Rodgers

11-01-2003 15:44:57

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Re: identifying trip plows in reply to Damon Cates, 10-30-2003 17:51:04

I have the same plow on rubber. HTP was Allis Chalmers for sure. I checked some part lists and believe that it was a #2 series. If the bottoms are 14" it would be a 214. The moldboards on mine are #309244. Check yours. AGCO still lists parts for the bottoms.

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Jay Rodgers

11-01-2003 15:41:56

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Re: identifying trip plows in reply to Damon Cates, 10-30-2003 17:51:04

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Damon Cates

11-01-2003 17:37:41

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Re: Re: identifying trip plows in reply to Jay Rodgers, 11-01-2003 15:41:56

Thanks for the help. I had been told that they were Heiman Terran & Pareel plows. But I have searched and searched for that name but to no avail. My plows have the AC color on them in places. I figured it was either AC or Case. I plowed with them for the first time today! I don't know how old they are but I am 43 and they have been sitting in the fence row for as long as I can remember. The only thing that was bad on my plows was the spring loaded hitch. Do you know where I can find one?

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Jay

11-03-2003 05:46:58

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Re: Re: Re: identifying trip plows in reply to Damon Cates, 11-01-2003 17:37:41

I hope that the plowing went well. The spring loaded hitch was gone from mine as well. I was given an old IH plow that had the IH clevis quick release hitch. I replaced it with that. It works great. I had to readjust the horizontal and vertical draft a few times to get it just right. Ended up replacing alot of bolts. Look in other peoples hedge rows for a parts plow, I've found several that way. I replaced my coulters with some from an old oliver plow that someone else had cut the wheels off. They were much better. Good luck.

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Damon Cates

11-05-2003 21:00:13

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Re: Re: Re: Re: identifying trip plows in reply to Jay, 11-03-2003 05:46:58

Thanks for the help Jay. I have a set of IHC steel wheel trip plows also. The trip works well on it and it has a spring loaded hitch on it also. I was thinking about taking it off and putting it on mine. As with yours my colters don't seem to be quite right. They sit right beside the plow bottoms instead of more to the front. I had to take them off to get it to plow because with them on there it just balled up. Could you please explain to me what you meant when you said you had to adjust the horizontal and vertical draft. The hitch I want to put on mine just has springs on it. I figured you just adjusted those springs enough to where they wouldn't trip when pulling the plows. But they would trip when it hit a stump of something. Oh, by the way. The plows did a wonderful job even without the colters.

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Jay

11-06-2003 07:16:26

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: identifying trip plows in reply to Damon Cates, 11-05-2003 21:00:13

If you do a google search on the Allis Chalmers #2 plow someone has pictures posted of the 2/14 plow. It also has the coulters set back. I think it was probably a design compromise due to the axel location. I've had the balled up experience. It is possible that as the coulter diameter decreases with wear this becomes a problem because when I put the larger diameter Oliver coulters on the problem ended. Larger diameter coulters place the sod-cutting ahead of the share tip. As for the draft, the best thing to do is find an old farm implement book such as put out by John Deere in the old days. These books show how the plows need to be setup for the smoothest, most efficient plowing. Keep in mind that on level ground, the top of the plow beams should be level in all directions. In the front of the plow, just before the hitch, there is a vertical series of holes. There is also a side bracket on the AC #2 with two holes in front that can be rotated for adjustment. Use these to establish a straight line from your drawbar or hitch point (clevis), to the center of the rear plow share's top edge where it meets the moldboard. This is done with your tractors right wheels in the dead furrow and the plows in the ground. The hitch or tongue should lie right on this straight line. Otherwise the plow will always be trying to dig too deep or ride out. When it�s doing this the tractor has to work much harder. After you make any adjustments here you may have to re-level the plow with the leveling lever and readjust the depth with the master lever. I had to do alot of adjustment since my Farmall H's drawbar is much higher than the old Allis Chalmers drawbar. That�s the vertical draft. You'll also notice that the hitch is made of three pieces of steel forming a triangle. The piece that actually hitches to the clevis has holes in it. By adjusting which hole the other piece bolts into, you adjust the horizontal draft. This is important as it minimizes the side forces or drag on the landside. It also adjusts the width of cut that the leading moldboard takes. The back side of the triangle should be parallel with your drawbar and setup so that your hitch point is as close as possible to the center of the tractor. At the same time the outside edge of the leading moldboard should trail straight behind the inside edge of the right rear tractor tire in the dead furrow. The books give formulas to use with this setup. It�s fairly easy with the pictures in the book and formulas. Also look in the book to understand suck and landside position. It sounds like your plow isn't far off since it plowed so well. These adjustments just might make it easier. Let me know.

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Damon Cates

12-25-2003 11:02:41

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: identifying trip plows in reply to Jay, 11-06-2003 07:16:26

Hello Jay. It has been along time since I talked to you. I checked out that page you told me about and those plows and mine are an identical match. Mine are 2-12's also. I had them sand blasted by my neighbor and he called me after they were done and on the inside of one of the rails was the name Allis Chalmer. It was almost gone but you could make it out. I now have them painted and they look wonderful.

You may or may not have told me what part of the country you are from. I am close to Paducah Ky. I live in a small town about 15 miles southwest of Paducah called Cunningham, which is in Carlisle County. I hope to start taking my plows to Plow Days around the area. Again thanks for all of your help.

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Damon Cates

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Damon Cates

11-01-2003 17:32:44

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Re: Re: identifying trip plows in reply to Jay Rodgers, 11-01-2003 15:41:56

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