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Confusion over the terms tiller/cultivator

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Dale-SWMI

10-27-2003 05:12:35




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I am very much in need of some advice.

I am in the process of getting ready to retire and take on my �next job� of market gardening. I�ve purchased the land and picked up a Ford 860 last January. The tractor came with a rototiller. When I got onto the land this spring it had been chisel plowed last fall and the tiller worked very will for finishing the field preparation for the cover crops I put in this year.

I did put in a small garden and quickly discovered that weeding 4 acres of market garden won�t be fun for long. It seems as though I could cut my weeding time substantially with a 3 pt two row cultivator. I picked up a copy of Peterson and Beemer�s book Ford Tractor Implements and I�m really confused on the differences between what they call cultivators and tillers. I think I want something similar to the Ferguson type 9-BO-20 model tiller with nine shanks. It would seem like this equipment would let me both cultivate between the vegetable rows (by removing and repositioning shanks) and in the fall/spring loosen ground that had been put to cover crop so I can use my rototiller for seedbed preps. My ground has been under constant cultivation by the previous owners. It is 18 inches fine mineral (loam to silty loam).

My confusion comes from pictures and references to both cultivators and tillers in the Ford Tractor Implements book. They look basically the same to me with just slightly different designs. Is this a case of British and American farmers being separated by a common language? Are the old timey tillers and cultivators just the same implements called by different names?

I would much appreciate any clarification you could give me and advice if I am planning to use the wrong tool for the job.

Thanks in advance for any help you could give?

Dale

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Leroy

10-28-2003 05:11:52




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 Re: Confusion over the terms tiller/cultivator in reply to Dale-SWMI, 10-27-2003 05:12:35  
The model no. you list was made by Ferguson from 1939 to the end of production in the MF era, Ferguson called it a tiller, bacicaly a forerunner of the modern chisel plow, it wopuld be good for you as a primary fall tillage tool, Ford-Dearborn also made one under there name. You do not want that for cultivating your crops, uow want a row crop cultivator for that, fact you may want more than one fore different row spacings as it would be cheaper that trying to change row spacing every day as you would need to do with more than one garden crop, email me and I can give you more information on all the different cultivators made for what you want. A lot of the posters have never heard of the Ferguson tiller made with both 7 or 9 shanks, 9 on 7 foot width, I have one can give you pointers on use

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Dale-SWMI

10-29-2003 04:28:14




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 Re: Re: Confusion over the terms tiller/cultivator in reply to Leroy, 10-28-2003 05:11:52  
Leroy

I do want to contact you for the information you offered. I tired to access your e-mail addressed but got an error message. I don't know if it is me or my computer. My e-mail is [email protected]. If you could let me know your address I'll contact you.

Thanks for the offer. I can see I really need the help.

Dale



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Leroy

10-29-2003 05:43:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Confusion over the terms tiller/cultiv in reply to Dale-SWMI, 10-29-2003 04:28:14  
My email should have shown up in the name line but it did not and I don't know why, I did try clicking on my name and it came up that way. To help you there are dozens of questions that are needed answers to, first is location that you are at, weather will make a big difference on machinery use, how much of different crops you want to put out also an important consideration, also how much time you would have to change implements from one setting to anouther, would your crops all be in one row width or like tomatos in 40" rows; corn in 30" rows; onions in 15" rows; all make a big difference and if you would want to go from one crop to the next the same day as it takes a day to change row width's on a cultivator and some cultivators cann't do some row width; does your tractor have the spinout rear wheels? Lester (Leroy) Helmlinger, Wapakoneta, Ohio [email protected]

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paul

10-27-2003 07:29:05




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 Re: Confusion over the terms tiller/cultivator in reply to Dale-SWMI, 10-27-2003 05:12:35  
Here in the mid-west. there are row-crop cultivators. Early ones were front-mount, really like mid or belly mounted, and cultivated the weeds from between the rows of corn & soybeans, 2-4 rows. Now they are all 3-point rear mounted, go up to 16 rows or more.

Then there are field cultivators, which is what you are talking about. they prep the soil for planting in spring. Can be used as you want to, I'm sure.

Tillers have always been the rotory garden tillers 'here'.

I think it's just regional differences in wording. Like a 'disk-harrow' - don't have such a thing 'here', you have a disk, or a harrow - 2 very different implements. :)

--->Paul

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greenbeanman

10-27-2003 09:01:10




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 Re: Re: Confusion over the terms tiller/cultivator in reply to paul, 10-27-2003 07:29:05  
And to go one step further---

Where I am at we have spike toothed harrows and spring toothed harrows. Usually just called a harrow and a springtooth.



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Greywolf

10-27-2003 14:18:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Confusion over the terms tiller/cultiv in reply to greenbeanman, 10-27-2003 09:01:10  
In mine and Paul's neck of the woods, I believe the spike and spring tooth harrows would just be called drags, spike and Melroe (spring).



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Halbert09

10-27-2003 10:15:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Confusion over the terms tiller/cultiv in reply to greenbeanman, 10-27-2003 09:01:10  
I have also seen referred to as a harrow a device with several rows of small disks(6-8") that run straight ahead with no angle. Sometimes there is a leveling board between the front 2 rows of disks and the back 2. What is this thing used for and does it have a name?



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greenbeanman

10-27-2003 11:30:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Confusion over the terms tiller/cu in reply to Halbert09, 10-27-2003 10:15:13  
Well I can't help you with that one. I am not familiar with it.



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