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Kelly C

10-24-2003 17:16:31




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I am getting ready to do something with that 6 acre field I get to use. It is over grown with weeds right now. Maybe 3 feet high or so.
I was going to mow them before plowing it under but I broke my mower. I got the end of the sickle in a culvert and busted one of the supports. (D'oh!)

I was thinking about taking my disk over and running it around for a wile to cut up the weeds and losten the ground before plowing.
What say you?

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Delbert

10-26-2003 05:51:12




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 Re: Field plowing in reply to Kelly C, 10-24-2003 17:16:31  
Don,t know if your ground blows in the spring like it does in my part of the country ,Kansas. Down here it would be best to leave some trash on top to help keep it from blowing away. Down here if it is a dry spring and we get lots of wind we have big dust storms and i live in eastern Kansas. Just a thought i had while reading all the good advise you are getting that you might want think about soil erosion either by wind or water. As far as the trash on top the disc will take care of that next spring and if you leave some trash on top it wiil catch more snow this winter. Just some of my dumb thoughts.

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John in IN

10-25-2003 17:19:56




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 Re: Field plowing in reply to Kelly C, 10-24-2003 17:16:31  
I wouldn't disc it. Sometimes it can cause more trouble with plugging the plow than just plowing it without discing. One time I disc a 10 acre weed patch and then plowed. Had trouble with plugging the plow. I have a patch down the road I think I am going to bush hog it and plow it under in the spring. I am itching to get that J.D.70D out plowing. Good luck.



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manicman

10-25-2003 10:01:44




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 Re: Field plowing in reply to Kelly C, 10-24-2003 17:16:31  
whatever you do Kelly get some pictures of you plowing. Love to see em



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Joel Harman

10-25-2003 07:05:43




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 Re: Field plowing in reply to Kelly C, 10-24-2003 17:16:31  
Seems like I read somewhere that discing first will leave less air pockets in the plowed ground. This my have been referring to spring plowing - not sure.

If you get snow, we don't anymore, then air pockets will not be a problem.

I agree with burning it - kill the weed seeds.



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Hugh MacKay

10-25-2003 18:40:43




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 Re: Re: Field plowing in reply to Joel Harman, 10-25-2003 07:05:43  
Joel: I don't share your enthusiem that burning will kill weeds. Years ago I had a neighbour who was always tourching fields when he had a bit of excess vegetation. He had the weediest farm in the county. The only thing I could see that he ever destroyed was good healthy grass and clover.



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Kelly C

10-25-2003 22:57:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Field plowing in reply to Hugh MacKay, 10-25-2003 18:40:43  
Burnings out. I am not going to do that. This 6 acres is smack dab in the middle of some real nice houses. Cant afford my normal 1 or 2 mistakes per project. :-)



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John A

10-25-2003 06:21:26




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 Re: Field plowing in reply to Kelly C, 10-24-2003 17:16:31  
Kelly, That 6 acres has sat there all yr and grown a good crop of noxious weeds seed and such. Burn it to get a head start on weed control for next year. Like some of the others have said plow a couple of rounds. Then set fire to it all. Atleast this will be a weed seed crop that won't get the oppertunity to germinate. Still be sure to call your local VFD to tell them you are doing a controled burn. Also any other authorities that need to be notified.
Later,
Good Luck,
John A.

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Hugh MacKay

10-25-2003 02:43:59




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 Re: Field plowing in reply to Kelly C, 10-24-2003 17:16:31  
Kelly: Go with the guys that say plow the undesturbed vegetation. If you want it to cover better attach chain or heavy wire about 5' long to each beam at just a bit left of center of each moldboard and allow that chain or wire to drag back under furrow. In fact the chain should be as far to left as you can put it without it dropping down left side of bottom when you lower plow. You want the chain so it is pulling diagonally across the moldboard. The chain or wire will pull the vegetation right under. I like the chain best. I plowed many acers of corn stalks under that way. Do your disking in spring after fall plowing and that soil will fall like ashes. The ravages old old man winter in MN will do the most economical tillage work for you.

Key to good plowing is always firm soil like Paul said and no loose long debris.

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Kelly C

10-25-2003 23:07:31




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 Re: Re: Field plowing in reply to Hugh MacKay, 10-25-2003 02:43:59  
Ok I am trying to visualize this.
You wouldnt by chance know of a visual parts discription of a plow on the internet would you?
What is the beam? ( this plowing is going to fun huh?)
Also when you say left side of plow is that facing the plow or from behind the plow?
Any way what I think you are saying in to pull the chain so that the plow flips the furrow on it. Thus dragging the longer parts of the weeds inside the furrow. Correct?

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Hugh MacKay

10-26-2003 02:08:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Field plowing in reply to Kelly C, 10-25-2003 23:07:31  
Kelly: Your last sentance quite well describes what your trying to do. Everything I say will from standing behind the plow. The best place to hook chain and this may well vary on different plows. When the plow is out of the ground, each chain should hang just to the right of coulter. By doing this the coulter will prevent the chain from swinging to the left of plow point and bottom as tractor rolls over some uneven ground just as you are lowering plow. The chain or wire will then drag in a diagonally across at same angle as moldboard, and under the furrow. The aprox. 2 feet of chain under furrow is what keeps it tight. The chain or wire will pull the vegetation under. You may have to play with adjustment some until you find just right position. It works on corn stalks and probably 30% of that debris is loose, but flow of material keeps it working. I will not say there is never a few harsh words uttered in corn stalks anyway.

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MK

10-25-2003 05:44:49




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 Re: Re: Field plowing in reply to Hugh MacKay, 10-25-2003 02:43:59  
Took the words out of my mouth Hugh. I thought I was the only guy that tried the chains....It works great for burying taller material. MK



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paul

10-25-2003 14:37:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Field plowing in reply to MK, 10-25-2003 05:44:49  
Used the wires many times myself. Never tried a chain. Dad had a few rolls of real, real stiff thick wire I think from old hi-line, was too stiff for anything else.

--->Paul



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JMS/MN

10-25-2003 00:27:18




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 Re: Field plowing in reply to Kelly C, 10-24-2003 17:16:31  
Any decent plow should handle grass that is up to three feet tall. Discing it would just complicate the situation. Likely make the plow plug, unless you disced it in the same pattern that you plow it. Other option is cut and bale it for bedding, then plowing should go easily. (Gotta fix the mower anyway, right?). Or an extremely good shredding job.



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RN

10-24-2003 23:10:38




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 Re: Field plowing in reply to Kelly C, 10-24-2003 17:16:31  
May as well disc and plow now. Disc will knock down 3 foot tall weeds some so plow won't clog. Overwinter plowed ground helps kill some roots/runners, then seedbed prep spring. If I remember right you are in Minnesota- have as wet or wetter spring than central Iowa or Wisconsin- sping plowing can be messy. Could you borrow a bush hog to use first? RN.



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Don-Wi

10-24-2003 22:36:47




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 Re: Field plowing in reply to Kelly C, 10-24-2003 17:16:31  
I would just plow it as well, why waist your time burning, or time and money disking? If anything with disking, if you loosen it up on top and it's firm underneath, your tires will constantly be spinning, and you won't be going anywhere. What type of plow do you have? #8 IH, other trailer plow, mounted, semi-mounted, 2-3 bottom? Just curious what you are using to do the work with.
Donovan from Wisconsin

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Kelly C

10-25-2003 22:46:46




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 Re: Re: Field plowing in reply to Don-Wi, 10-24-2003 22:36:47  
Just brought home a 2 bottom fast hitch plow.



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paul

10-24-2003 22:29:58




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 Re: Field plowing in reply to Kelly C, 10-24-2003 17:16:31  
Mowing it just makes the plow plug up - in my experience. Aweful.

Disking is better next spring, to smooth the lumps. Why waste the fuel now? Plus if the disk doesn't do a good job, it can make the plow plug up too. I've had that happen.

Plow works best in the firm dirt without messing it up, and the growth flows through the plow best if it's firmly attached to the ground yet. In my experience. If conditions are odd and things do not work, you can always bring the disk in then.... Once you mow or disk it, you can't go back to making it right.

(As to the burning suggestion, I'll bet no way if your part of the state is anything like mine! There have been a number of cornfields that caught on fire & all 3 counties around me have burning bans.)

--->Paul

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RJ-AZ

10-24-2003 20:01:36




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 Re: Field plowing in reply to Kelly C, 10-24-2003 17:16:31  
Torch it!! Of course check for needing a burn permit and protect any nearby structures. Make a round around the outside with the disk first.



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Sid

10-24-2003 18:12:20




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 Re: Field plowing in reply to Kelly C, 10-24-2003 17:16:31  
In my opinion using a disc like you mentioned results in a better plowing job. That is what I do anyway.



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Nebraska Cowman

10-24-2003 17:27:07




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 Re: Field plowing in reply to Kelly C, 10-24-2003 17:16:31  
if you just plow it the weeds that don't cover shoud be pretty well rotted by spring. Or you can just leave it till spring and hope that the snow knocks the weeds down.



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