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New Farmer

10-22-2003 06:59:29




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Hi,
I posted the same message in the tractor forum not sure which is the right area to ask this. I just bought a 100-acre farm. Right now there is currently soybean and field corn on the property. I just bought a AC D17 54hp tractor and would like some help on what implements I need to buy and also what to do with the fields when the corn and soybean are taken off so I don't get runoff. I plan on planting 30 or so acres in pasture and hay in the spring of the year. Maybe renting the rest out for a couple of years until I have enough capital to start farming the whole lot of land. What is a good price to rent the land for? I live in PA and the soil is of good quality with an average to good yield. Do I need a chisel plow, disks, cultivator, etc? I have a tractor, haybine mower, drop and broadcast spreader. I am looking at a baler, rake, and wagons to buy in spring of year. But I need a start on what to do with the fields when the farmer takes the soybean and corn off. Also I would like to buy the implements in order of which I need first. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks

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Jim

10-23-2003 23:25:49




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 Re: Field Help in reply to New Farmer, 10-22-2003 06:59:29  
Everyone who has answered your questions has been right on, do your homework and talk to the people currently farming the place and to your neighbors.
About the machinery.
I would move slow and check everything out.
In my situation, I always buy any equipment I need in the fall of the year. It is much cheaper to buy a drill, baler etc.. in the off season. This allows me to really take my time and repair and adjust everything.
I am very mechanically inclined, so older used implements don't bother me. If you are not good with a welder, or a wrench, you would be best of renting. If you buy a piece of equipment, make sure to find an operators manual to help you with adjustments. It would also be a good plan to seek out any dealer support BEFORE you buy.
This could save you lots of grief.

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Phil

10-23-2003 14:12:36




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 Re: Field Help in reply to New Farmer, 10-22-2003 06:59:29  
I wouldn't start the grass in the spring, you'll be fighting the weeds too much and you won't get a good stand. Right now I would follow the corn with winter wheat which would be harvested in July. You can follow it with grass in Aug or Sept and you won't have the weed competition and you can get a better stand. Since I assume you don't have a drill to plant the wheat, a combine to harvest the grain or a baler to bale the straw I would talk to the guy farming it now, he might be willing to put the wheat in and harvest it.

As for rental rates it depends on where you are in PA. If you're in a prime location in Lancaster County they're paying $120/acre, if you're across the river in York County as I am the going rate is $70/acre. I'm not really familiar with other areas.

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RJ-AZ

10-22-2003 18:02:55




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 Re: Field Help in reply to New Farmer, 10-22-2003 06:59:29  
First step: Win the lottery

Second step: Farm till all the moneys gone



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jim

10-22-2003 17:26:17




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 Re: Field Help in reply to New Farmer, 10-22-2003 06:59:29  
Here goes my 2 cents worth. Here in Ontario (similar weather) I have 1 1/2 bu/ac. oats no-tiled along with 20lb.90/10 alfalfa/timothy into soybean stubble. The bean crop has cleaned up the weeds so you can start with a clean catch of hay. You won't have to worry about machinery much until next year when the hay will be ready for its first cut. By that time, you'll have gained more knowledge about farming in general and your tenant will probably want to plant soys into the corn stubble (good rotation).

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Jerry A.

10-22-2003 14:07:56




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 Re: Field Help in reply to New Farmer, 10-22-2003 06:59:29  
I'd second the motion about getting info from the county extension agency. Also may want to check out a soil consultant or forage seed salesman...they would have info on what would grow best in your area and help with soil testing and ferilizer application. I'd pick the brains of some local farmers about equipment and where to get decent stuff. Stop by the library...they might have some books on farming. Some of the older ones are OK. Might also try eBay for old books on farming (or Amazon for new ones). Most of the land grant colleges (IL, IA, MN, IN, etc) have websites for their extension services with lots of info on many topics. Your state will probably have something, too. Give 'em a call-- if you are a tax paying resident, you sort of deserve some help for funding the college/university, in my opinion.

Good luck.

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kyhayman

10-22-2003 13:11:43




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 Re: Field Help in reply to New Farmer, 10-22-2003 06:59:29  
A lot depends on what do you want to pasture and how much feed you want to put up.With only a 100 acres I wouldnt worry about getting carried away with machinery, better to buy good stuff that you need and rent the rest.

Were it mine I would consider either hay and/or beef cows. I used to do the 'variety' of crops but none of them were on the scale to justify really good rolling stock. A few years ago I made the commitment ot hay and cows. Got the best bulls I could afford, late 90's vintage disc mower, rake, baler, and automatic bale wagon. I did have a good 336 Deere square baler that I kept. Sold almost everything else (feed grinder, corn stuff, etc). The cash flow that freed up let me keep all my heifers out of the good bulls. Everything planted no-til. I'd get an additional tractor and a round baler first plus some livestock. Not worry about the rest.

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Jerry D in NC

10-22-2003 10:10:40




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 Re: Field Help in reply to New Farmer, 10-22-2003 06:59:29  
Down here in NC we would want to get that grass seed in now so it could be up and ready to go in the spring. Ground is typically dry enough now to work and sometimes in the spring it is too wet to get a crop established before it gets too hot. I realize there is quite a bit of difference between NC and PA climate wise but I have to believe that going ahead and getting the ground prepped and seed down will give you the best odds of having a grass crop that will survive summer. If for some reason you had some thin spots then you could notill some seed in the spring but finding dry enough ground to do that is much different than finding a time to work it up completely.

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paul

10-22-2003 08:52:54




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 Re: Field Help in reply to New Farmer, 10-22-2003 06:59:29  
I live in Minnesota where we get lots of snow, real cold, a short growing season, deep heavy clay soils, lots of spring cold rain.

For about 40 miles around me, we do as much fall tillage as possible. Just can't get anything to come up in the cold wet spring if we don't. Need the sun to warm & dry the dark ground in the spring, when the frost is 4' deep....

Many other locations are going to notill. If it works in your area, that would be great.

See what the neighbors are doing. See what works for them. Ask the local extension office & such, what works in your local area. Hard to say over such long distances.

I would look for a renter now for the 60-70 acres, and let them deal with it as they want - some will leave it, some will want it tilled, some will want to get fertilizer down now. Perhaps they will offer a bit less if they have to do the fall work, but I'll bet, if land competition is as heavy there as here, you will get top dollar by getting someone lined up now, and not touch the land yourself.

Then you can concentrate on you pasture. Here we would plow it now, field cultivate in spring, fertilize, harrow/pack/some way of smoothing the ground, seed it, and harrow/pack it. Typically corn ground esp is uneven with the washboard rows, you want to work it up hard & smooth it out with several passes of a field cultivator & harrow to make it like a tabletop. You want this done when the ground is fairly dry in spring so it doesn't compact, but you want it quite firm for grass/alfalfa/clover seeds.

Lime is not needed where I live, but a pasture in many areas needs lots of lime, I would look into that & get it spread this fall, lime takes a while to activate, sooner is better on that! Will make all the other fertilizers work better. You can also put P & K down now if you need it. N sometimes wanders off if you put it on too early, might want to wait until spring for that.

--->Paul

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rustyfarmall

10-22-2003 08:06:21




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 Re: Field Help in reply to New Farmer, 10-22-2003 06:59:29  
Your best bet would be to talk to the farmer who owns the crops that are on the farm now, he will know the best way to care for the land once the crops are removed, and will also be able to give you a good idea of what machinery you will need, and maybe even an idea of where to find it.
Here in Iowa, we used to plow under as much as possible in the fall, now most farmers don't do that anymore. The best way to control erosion through the winter is to leave the crop residue just as it is, and do all of the tillage work in the spring.

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